boatmaster
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She is a beautiful boat, pleased all went well look forward to seeing her at show!
Out She Comes!
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jfm
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Beauty is in the eye etc., of course.
But if there would be a contest for HT design, it seems to me that at S/skr they could compete for both the best and the worst, with your boat and with the 88 respectively.
Your 80 looks fantastic in those pics MYAG, and I agree with Mapis it is much prettier than 88. The best drawn sunseeker flybr ever in the sub 100 foot category, imho (though that is just imho; but they didn't make on Y80 the styling mistakes that the hattan 70 has for example). TheY80 looks more ship like, as it should be
Am I right in thinking you have specced white not blue LEDs for the side deck moodlighting?
MYAG
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Indeed, Blue LED for the underwater lighting (travels further), transom steps and boat name. White LED for the side decks and flybridge deck. "Softer" halogen lighting for overhead aft cockpit and HT. (nice for dining under)
I have gone with that for now so I can judge what I prefer once out on the water in complete darkness. (very different from boatshows or boatyards) Very easy to change LED/Halogen or colour as needed after that, even on my underwater lights as the "engines" can be changed in situ without the need to lift the boat.
jfm
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Excellent choices imho. I also specified all white lighting along the side decks and on the flybr, ie no blue at all. i think it looks loads nicer - that Prin32m you posted pics of just didn't seem right with too many blues.
I even went for white on the boat name, so my only blues are the u/w lights (if I twiddle the knob to "blue" as they are RGB mixable)
And i agree with you on halogens for the overhead lights. The CRI on LEDs isn't good enough and they are generally awful things to have dinner under for example (most catalogue LEDs like cantalupi have CRI of 85-90%; halogens are more like 98%, and that's a biiiig difference
Yes blue light travels furthest underwater, red the least. I like a cyan colour as opposed to the typical (darker) LED blue, so I have Lumishores which allows me to mix RGB to get a cyan colour
MYAG
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JFM, how will your boat name look at night illuminated with white light against a white transom? Do you have s/s or black/dark letters? Any mock up pics? I have s/s over clear perspex and thought I would need a coloured light to make the name more visible at night against a white transom.
I did every other transom step to match......
I like the idea of having RGB mixable lighting choices, very nice but unfortunately not available on mine, might be later so could change the guts easily and link to a controller etc.
You are spot on with deck light being left white....... toooo much bling otherwise!
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benjenbav
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Adding nothing much to the general wisdom of nations but do I get a virtual pint for working out your user name as being an abbreviation of: "Motor Yacht Abby Grace"?
I do like the lighting you've used on the name and steps.
I do like the lighting you've used on the name and steps.
BlueSkyNick
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Respect !
MYAG
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jfm
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Tee hee I always giggle at the comment "too much bling" when you've just bought a Y80 . Not criticising you one bit MYAG as I am as bad as you, just smiling here at my keyboard at the concept. Funny olde world
AFAIK white lit letters look ok. Mine are same as yours - s/steel fronts and acrylic behind with LEDs set in the acrylic. There is a mock up of mine below done by Yachtlite, and below that two pics from their gallery (Yaluya - I love the font but it is custom and not buy-able, and Lady Anna which is Bigmoose's sunseeker Pred92, a sometime poster on this forum and friend of mine off the forum) which show the white light even better. Overall I think it works just as well with white light as blue, so it's just a personal preference thing
Here's a good comparison of white/blue on a white boat
. Not criticising you one bit MYAG as I am as bad as you, just smiling here at my keyboard at the concept. Funny olde world AFAIK white lit letters look ok. Mine are same as yours - s/steel fronts and acrylic behind with LEDs set in the acrylic. There is a mock up of mine below done by Yachtlite, and below that two pics from their gallery (Yaluya - I love the font but it is custom and not buy-able, and Lady Anna which is Bigmoose's sunseeker Pred92, a sometime poster on this forum and friend of mine off the forum) which show the white light even better. Overall I think it works just as well with white light as blue, so it's just a personal preference thing
Here's a good comparison of white/blue on a white boat
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jfm
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MYAG, as for the u/w lights, compare the length of the beam of the lights on that big sunseeker ahead of your starboard bow with my old Sq58 below. My Sq58 has 4 x www.Lumishore.com x120s, RGB-able. Those are the first 4 such lights that Lumishore ever made, and they have improved them since then, and I have 6 of their latest design on the new sq78. Will easily make a 40metre cyan swimming pool in a quiet anchorage. And becuase Lumishore are streets ahead of anyone else in terms of lumens per watt, my 6 lights draw only 12Amps at 24v, which is I'll bet less than the 5 much dimmer lights on that big sunseeker in your pic. As an engineering matter, there is nothing that comes close to Lumishore lights. They are designed/engineered by a proper engineer (whom i and others on here know well) and are just way ahead of any competitors in driver design and LED array design. Treat yourself to a set sometime 
PM EME off this forum or email commercial at lumishore dot com and he'll give you a "forum discount"
PM EME off this forum or email commercial at lumishore dot com and he'll give you a "forum discount"
ACE
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WOW, absolutely WOW, Both STUNNING boats and so much time, dedication and obviously Love put into them both, Jealous as hell ... 
I Can't wait to see them both at LIBS . Congratulations to you both (jfm & MYAG)
I Can't wait to see them both at LIBS . Congratulations to you both (jfm & MYAG)
Kipper
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All that nasty snow on that lovely shiny gell coat, I cant look.
Stunning pictures of the trip though, you must be chuffed.
Stunning pictures of the trip though, you must be chuffed.
mjf
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The Evening standard had a nice pix of the Princess 32M hoisted into Excel last night.
They said it was nameless other than ''Princess 32m'' I rather liked the name you snapped at Dover.
They said it was nameless other than ''Princess 32m'' I rather liked the name you snapped at Dover.
MYAG
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"Centurion". I guess the owner prefers anonimity or it's back up for sale?
MYAG
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Tee hee I always giggle at the comment "too much bling" when you've just bought a Y80
AFAIK white lit letters look ok......
..........Here's a good comparison of white/blue on a white boat
Thanks for posting this pic JFM. Looking at the comparison, think I prefer the white now! Not sure if I can change the LED colour easily or if it is sealed in the acrylic. Might mean a new name but I will make that decision later in the season.
MYAG
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MYAG, as for the u/w lights, compare the length of the beam of the lights on that big sunseeker ahead of your starboard bow with my old Sq58 below. My Sq58 has 4 x www.Lumishore.com x120s, RGB-able. Those are the first 4 such lights that Lumishore ever made, and they have improved them since then, and I have 6 of their latest design on the new sq78. Will easily make a 40metre cyan swimming pool in a quiet anchorage. And becuase Lumishore are streets ahead of anyone else in terms of lumens per watt, my 6 lights draw only 12Amps at 24v, which is I'll bet less than the 5 much dimmer lights on that big sunseeker in your pic. As an engineering matter, there is nothing that comes close to Lumishore lights. They are designed/engineered by a proper engineer (whom i and others on here know well) and are just way ahead of any competitors in driver design and LED array design. Treat yourself to a set sometime
I must say JFM, the underwater lights on your Sq58 look awesome! I have Aqualuma series 6 fiited to the 80, never had these before so don't know how they perform etc. If they are Craaap, I know who to call. Would be interesting to know if EME has contacted SS previously?
jfm
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Heck sorry to be doing this MYAg! But I know you don't mind the banter! I love the white light, and that's why i was so pleased to see you had white along the side decks. Looks fantastic at anchor, as you know
Who made the name? If CAD-CAM cut, and they saved the file, they should be able to make new acrylic backs with LEDs glued in, and reuse the stainless steel fronts, and thereby keep same holes in transom. Easy swap if you decide to do it. Obviously the step lights are easy to change, 5 minutes and a screwdriver. But don't worry, your whole boat looks fantastic!
MYAG
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Yep, love the banter.
Think the name was made by Dolphin Marine so I'll check out the possibilities. Actually, I am not that mad over the current design/style anyway so might change it. The design I originally wanted was proposed by YachtSign (Florida), didnt get them cos they were 16K!, might have been a false economy by the time I am finished, but hey, thats boating for you......
jfm
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MYAG i hate to rain on your parade and i genuinely think your boat is awesome (better than mine in many respects, I'm v happy to concede!) but I'm a bit of a bugger when it comes to saying what i think. So i gotta tell you, s/seeker have been very naughty selling you those lights. They have 6 LEDs in each light, and the LEDs are made in china not by the top drawer makers (Phillips, Osram, Cree). If you check http://www.aqualuma.com/6_series.html you'll see they draw .7A each at 24v, which is nowhere near enough power. Furthermore, they cheekily quote lux not lumens which is misleading and not scientifically sound. If you actually measure the lumens output of one of those series 6 it is about 600. Mine are about 9000 each. No typos. The diddy ones on my tender are more than 600. Ok it is not a linear relationship but you get the idea. Mine draw 2-3 amps each at 24v, and are waaaaay more efficient in terms of lumens per watt than those series 6, hence the MUCH larger light output
BTW, even if Aqualuma wanted to stuff more light power in there they couldn't because they'd burn up. The world's top LED engineers currently cannot avoid significant heat generation in ultra bright LEDs so you need a metal body like Lumishore's or OceanLED's to get the cooling. You cannot cool much with a plastic body. Those series 6 will run constantly all day in the air with no water cooling, which simply tells you they are not powerful enough
The pic below shows one of mine close up. Each dot is an LED (made by Phillips) way brighter than each Aqualuma LED. There are two rows each of RGB
There is nothing on the market that comes close to Lumishore x120, let alone beats it. Nothing but Lumishore will give you the pool of light shown in my Sq58 pic above for <12Amps. I'll see if EME is bringing one to the boat show in his bag - so you can hold it in your hand if we meet up at the boat show
Anyway I'm not really raining on your parade becuase as you know these sorts of accessories are easy to swap and are tuppence ha'penny in relative cost on a project like Y80 new build. S/seeker were a bit bnaughty if they recommended them, (assuming you asked for the best and unbiased advice). I do mean this with best wishes, not one upmanship. I know you are a great sharer of info on boating technology and gear, so I'm hoping you take it in the spirit intended, from a huge admirer of your boat. Best wishes!
MYAG
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Chill. Not taking any of this any way other than helpful! Thank you.
As I said, the Aqualuma are the only option available if you want an underwater light system fitted during the manufacturing process at Sunseeker. I have only had halogen underwater lights previously so really did not know what these would be like. I didn't research underwater LED lights because I assumed what SS were proposing would be fine as they fit them to all the boats up to 40M ! Also not heard anyone complain etc.
Its disappointing to read what you say, only because as you rightly point out, I expected better if not the best, particularly when you consider 3 across the transom and one each on the sides set me back £10K! I suppose there is one consolation, at least I can put them on inside Excel for a bigger bling factor!
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