Our first time in St. Katherine's.

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We have just returned from our first visit to St. Katherine's marina, normally we go to Limehouse; they don't like to be called St. Kats and corrected us on the VHF. Their website gave the impression that the entry was very precise, but in reality it's not. On the day we arrived the time laid down was 14:57 for the first entry, not 15:00 notice. In fact we could not get in until nearly 15:30, not that was an issue apart from the fact that if we had known we would have picked up one of their waiting buoys instead of gilling about in the river. The tide was scary and Tower Bridge looked awfully close when you have a mast, but then perhaps that was just my own mind worrying unnecessarily.

There were four of us waiting for that lock and we all followed instructions as to the order that they wanted us to enter. It would have helped if the guy running the lock had remembered his hand held, instead of having to shout instructions at us. The knuckle took the tide off nicely and we just drifted in to lay alongside, as instructed, a brand new Dutch yacht, who hated us, even though we had six fenders out that side. The lock was raised and suddenly all was calm. We were then summoned to go to the lock office to sort the paper work. This was a pain, the climb from the boat to the dock was about a metre and a half, which proved really difficult for the elderly French lady and added, perhaps 30 minutes to our time' it also generated more waves of hate from the Dutch owner as we trapsed over his immaculate decks. There then followed another forty minutes of farce. The inner lock gate was secured by a metal pin which would not come out, a sledge hammer and special shaped tool were produced, but unfortunately the dock master thought that the sledge hammer was made of glass and just tapped at it. In desperation one of the boaters got off and gave it a bit of a smack, problem solved. In the lock ar 15:30 out at about 17:10.

We had told St. Kats that we were long keel and didn't do reversing so they gave us a berth which was V shaped and meant that you had to be able to reverse out. To solve this we had to use long ropes and lots of strong arm stuff. St. Kats did say that they would tow us out, but I didn't have too much faith in their ability. I was surprised at the lack of security in the marina, the fence where we were was no more than a metre and a half high and was easily climbable, although there were guys in hi-via about in the evenings. There are not a lot of loos and showers, many people are live aboard and are plumbed in all the time so that they can shower on board, but even so the loos/showers in the lock office were busy all the time. The loos/shower in the east basin were quieter.

The lock and bridges seems very fragile, everyone we spoke to had tales of being held up because they couldn't get them working. One guy had had to wait a day because he could not get out because the lock had jammed and by the time they had freed it the tide was too low. It is important to follow instructions as things can go wrong. We saw a Belgium boat hit the lock gate as it was being lowered, they go up and down vertically, rather than swing open, because he had tried to be first in the lock. The staff try to be helpful, but didn't seem to have a lot of experience. For example they seemed to struggle to coordinate opening the bridges and the lock at the same time.The discount card they give you is worthwhile as you can use it in the surrounding restaurants and get up to 30% off the bill. The restaurants are fine, the usual chain type, but because there are so many they have to be good to survive. The only exception was the Slug and Lettuce, which describes it so well'; slug like service and tasteless food.

Would we go again...yes, but we would check with Limehouse in case they had a berth first. Being in central location is a boost, and although it is a bit noisy, this is London after all.
Oh, bye the way the photo of the marina in East Coast Pilot is out of date.
 
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..................Oh, bye the way the photo of the marina in East Coast Pilot is out of date.

Hmmmm, well, all the ground-level pics were taken (by me) in 2014 for the current (2015) edition. The aerial pic is older, problem being that these are now extremely difficult and expensive to obtain in London air space.
As it was your first visit, maybe you didn't realise that the pontoon layout was reconfigured, some of it drastically, in the latter half of 2016? There's been a brief summary of that on the Thames updates page of our website since May, when I was last there, and, as it also says, we will have a new marina layout diagram up on the website when I get a round tuit. :encouragement:
That's the problem with documenting all this stuff, people will keep changing things!
Sounds like you encountered a bad-hair day when you locked in. It can be pretty slow sometimes but that was really slow.
 
Given you have to book in advance rather than just rocking up, I have never understood the need for the wait in the lock while they take peoples' details all over again.

I last visited three year back and lock keeper had evidently forgotten to set his alarm clock as we were around half an late in locking out - all the while missing out on precious ebb tide.
 
Given you have to book in advance rather than just rocking up, I have never understood the need for the wait in the lock while they take peoples' details all over again.

Yeah my last time in St Katz, there was a 6-7 blowing up the chuff in the lock, and the outer gate was being overtopped. They took about 80 minutes to retake all the details that we'd already given, so they are no longer on my visit list... Unless things have changed drastically it's not worth the price or aggro...
 
Whenever we've visited St Katherine's, the lock experience (both in and out) has been farcical. Maybe they staff the place with work experience people to save money.
 
We are making our first visit to the Thames next summer and have been torn between spending a few days in St Kats or Limehouse.

We quite like the idea of the central location of St Kats but if it is that farcical we might just head to Limehouse anyway.
 
We are making our first visit to the Thames next summer and have been torn between spending a few days in St Kats or Limehouse.

We quite like the idea of the central location of St Kats but if it is that farcical we might just head to Limehouse anyway.


Personally we prefer Limehouse. Despite the less central position (although easy walk to Canary Wharf), the DLR station is about 100 yards away for quick easy access east and west. The showers left a bit to be desired, but I understand that they have been refurb'd. The price is much lower than St Katz, and lock access is over a much greater time span
 
We are making our first visit to the Thames next summer and have been torn between spending a few days in St Kats or Limehouse.
We quite like the idea of the central location of St Kats but if it is that farcical we might just head to Limehouse anyway.

We generally go to St. Kats for a week every Spring, organised by the club we belong to. Yes it's expensive (although the weekly rate divided by 7 sounds a heck of a lot better than the daily rate) but it really is a great base for a week's holiday in London. Bearing in mind the research we do we stay regularly at Limehouse and South Dock too, both of which have very good points, but St.Kats is so convenient for Central London that arguably it's worth the extra cost - although perhaps not if staying for only a few days, because of that frightening daily rate.
Yes I've had some frustrating waits locking in, but the experiences described in this thread are very much at the worst end of my experiences. The sluices seem to be very slow for some reason so you've always got that to wait for, whatever is going on with the paperwork side of things. I wonder if the staff have had extra checking requirements requested for security reasons.
 
Having spent last Sat night in St Kats exiting out on Sunday at around 14.00, must comment that it was extremely busy.
It was not helped by a Thames barge taking up the first lock in and a monster mini ship filling the first lockout.We did get out about an hour after suggested exit time.Did feel sorry for the poor so and so s bouncing around outside.This is almost entirely due to the fast ribs alone causing mayhem.
The lock does get overwhelmed with too much traffic with a tight tidal window.
If you do not mind paying a premium its still the best located London marina.
 
Having spent last Sat night in St Kats exiting out on Sunday at around 14.00, must comment that it was extremely busy.
It was not helped by a Thames barge taking up the first lock in and a monster mini ship filling the first lockout.We did get out about an hour after suggested exit time.Did feel sorry for the poor so and so s bouncing around outside.This is almost entirely due to the fast ribs alone causing mayhem.
The lock does get overwhelmed with too much traffic with a tight tidal window.
If you do not mind paying a premium its still the best located London marina.

I wouldn't say we don't mind paying a premium. IMO the pricing is somewhat OTT.

But if the location is that good then we may just bite the bullet and go for it anyway. It's only for a few days.
 
Cantata, can you and anyone else with experience of South Dock please elaborate. We have never actually tried there.

Very quiet location. Shopping centre nearby for provisions etc. Buses and Jubilee Line nearby, river taxi jetty right outside. Several good pubs round about. Nice walks in big park area immediately north of marina.
 
You could also try Gallions Point marina. If you want a Beirut experience :disgust:

We were in St Kats a few weeks ago (same time as Cantata). The locking process is bizarre. The marina is OK, but i wouldn't say it's anything special. Toilets and showers were nice, laundry was cheap. No wifi though. Security wasn't too special, the gate at the back corner, near the Italian restaurant, was broken and unlocked while we were there. We stayed 3 nights in a 40 footer and the bill was about £300, hard to see the justification or value to be honest.
 
Haven't been in for a couple of years but it used to be a regular haunt. The "new" at the time marina manager told me he wanted to discourage visitors so he could reduce the number of visitors berths and encourage long stayers / berthholders instead. Whilst I can see the economics of this, the recent price hikes have contributed to us not going there for the last couple of years.

The locking process has always been poor. I suggested to them on several occasions - all the waiting yachts will monitor ch80 - they need simply to come on the VHF just before the lock opens and tell everyone what's going to happen - ie: "I want x in first followed by y and then z". This would stop all the jockeying for position.
 
Haven't been in for a couple of years but it used to be a regular haunt. The "new" at the time marina manager told me he wanted to discourage visitors so he could reduce the number of visitors berths and encourage long stayers / berthholders instead. Whilst I can see the economics of this, the recent price hikes have contributed to us not going there for the last couple of years.

The locking process has always been poor. I suggested to them on several occasions - all the waiting yachts will monitor ch80 - they need simply to come on the VHF just before the lock opens and tell everyone what's going to happen - ie: "I want x in first followed by y and then z". This would stop all the jockeying for position.

That's how they did it. Messing around waiting in the lock while they sorted everyones details/paperwork was the odd bit.
 
A biased overview :)

Done them all except Gallion.
South Dock.
Cheapest of the lot and run by local council.Very helpful staff and well organised on the half dozen or so times we have visited, including a couple of "please let us in " as we do not fancy Sea Reach tonight.
Not exactly bursting with food or stuff to do, basically the Wobbly Boat or the Ship and Derrick ?? with its interesting staff and good cheap food.
A long way from your actual London. Taxi or a Clipper your best method of escape.
Limehouse .
Not anywhere now so cheap as some like to pretend.
Possibly some attractions for the Frey Bentos cuisine sorts with short arms an deep pockets.Gandalfs pub nearbye.Not much for anyone else except a few eateries on the fume filled A12 nearbye. Only real method of escape from this semi industral area is the DLR.
St Kats.
The place to stay on your boat in London. Period.
Possibly not for those who have difficulties in the boat handling dept. Although all of the Dutch/Belgian/French /German etc visitors with monster yachts seem to be able to turn them on a Hatpin. Anything and everything nearbye and lots of cheapo pubs in Wapping High St.
The night skyline viewed from Tower Bridge rivals anywhere in the world.
Chelsea....
No Yachts.Tiny little narrow lock.Super sterile inside. Decent cheapo pub in Lots Road a good walk away.
Chelsea High St , walk up and see where most of the UKs population of Range Rovers with blacked out windows park.
West India.
Really nice location.Everthing nearbye.
Usually one price fits all.Special visits only, really need to book at least a dozen boats to get in, however you can tag along with any other club that might be there that weekend.
 
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