Osborne Bay - Permanent Buoys
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Champagne Murphy
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So no stopping in Osbourne Bay? Hasn't it been optional 'til now?
l'escargot
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You can stop but you have to anchor, not tie up to the buoys - there was some debate as to whether the temporary buoys were in fact mooring buoys.
Firefly625
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I think the other issue was the abuse folk got when they got too close to the buoys or went inside the line of buoys, as far as I have read this abuse was stopped and put down to an over zealous member of staff from English heritage who manned the beach with a megaphone... If these buoys are now permanent I would hope the position in respect of freedom to anchor in Osborne bay has not / will not change.
Seajet
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Firefly,
just to clarify the end result was that the buoys mark a swimming area someone at Natural England thought would be a bright idea for ticket sales but this pretty much relies on goodwill from boat owners, not having any official standing to actually prohibit boats...
I believe the hero with the megaphone beat a retreat after a sharp rise in the sales of sniper rifles.
just to clarify the end result was that the buoys mark a swimming area someone at Natural England thought would be a bright idea for ticket sales but this pretty much relies on goodwill from boat owners, not having any official standing to actually prohibit boats...
I believe the hero with the megaphone beat a retreat after a sharp rise in the sales of sniper rifles.
Fantasie 19
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I'm lost - what function do these buoys actually fulfill then if you can't moor to them, and you can anchor inside of them anyway??????
Seajet
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I'm lost - what function do these buoys actually fulfill then if you can't moor to them, and you can anchor inside of them anyway??????
Well you can anchor inside the area and wind up over-officious berks, seems like a good way to while away an afternoon...
Fantasie 19
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Well you can anchor inside the area and wind up over-officious berks, seems like a good way to while away an afternoon...
...but at least you could moor up to the previous one's..... apparently....... allegedly.....
Searush
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They demarcate a "safe bathing area" allegedly.
But what's to stop anyone tying up to them for a picnic anyway? Will English Heritage have a boatman standing by to cast you off? Somehow I suspect not.
But what's to stop anyone tying up to them for a picnic anyway? Will English Heritage have a boatman standing by to cast you off? Somehow I suspect not.
Zagato
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Sounds like an ideal place to practice my anchoring skills 
l'escargot
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One of the things people complained about was that they were "unofficial" because there was no QHM LNTM. Now there is and they have the same status as any other mark in Portsmouth Dockyard. Any enforcement would come under QHM and not English Heritage. They are now also permanent.
Chrissie
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Surely no one will swim again till April so we can just use that space for anchoring?
Cardo
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We anchored inside the buoys on Sunday. Was absolutely lovely. The only people swimming were the two nutters that decided to jump off my boat!
gjgm
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Why on earth would you tie up to an official lit marker bouy?
Sounds pretty dumb to me.
Seems to notice is just advising people that there are now permanent bouys, so dont sail into them.
Georgio
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So people could swim there before and they still can, boats could anchor their before and still can.
Who is actually paying for this waste on money?
Who is actually paying for this waste on money?
prv
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Us. English Heritage is 70% taxpayer-funded (the remainder coming from admission fees, donations, etc).
Pete
VicMallows
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At least now they are lit it should make it nice and easy to judge where to anchor if arriving at night. Personally I wouldn't want to anchor inside of them anyway due to the uncertain holding, quite apart from the range on Springs.
l'escargot
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You could, but other parts of the bay can be more sheltered, give better holding, haven't got a rocky outcrop and don't dry at low water. That's why people haven't used that part of the bay for anchoring much in the past. Generally the only ones that do now are only trying to make some sort of point. Seems a bit silly to all bunch up in one corner when there is the whole of the rest of the bay which most people use through choice anyway.
Seajet
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Good point ! What we need now is these berks to set up a similar swimming area at East head in Chichester Harbour; then when 99% of people are bunched up withing hand-shaking distance, there might actually be space for the occasional 22' boat on a mainly rope warp !
epervier
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QUEEN'S HARBOUR MASTER PORTSMOUTH
LOCAL NOTICE TO MARINERS
No 77/12
PERMANENT MARKER BUOYS OSBORNE BAY
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN by the Queen’s Harbour Master Portsmouth, that four yellow permanent lit marker buoys will be laid in Osborne Bay Friday 12 October 2012 replacing the temporary buoys in the following positions:
Buoy 1: 50 45.445N 001 15.225W
Buoy 2: 50 45.425N 001 15.190W
Buoy 3: 50 45.405N 001 15.156W
Buoy 4: 50 45.384N 001 15.122W
Mariners are advised to keep clear of these marker buoys in the approaches to Osborne Bay.
Cancel this Local Notice To Mariners Mon 15th Oct 2012 (4 days)
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Am I reading too much into this apparently simple LNTM?
Why would they place permanent marker buoys to mark a swimming area?
Would it not have been more cost effective to lift them and replace them at the start of the new season?
Or from a darker view point, at a later time point, when everything settles down, they become part of the status quo,( although I think they are very good band) issue another LNTM saying all vessels keep clear of marker buoys and shore, no anchoring zone.
Just thinking out loud,and you heard it here first
LOCAL NOTICE TO MARINERS
No 77/12
PERMANENT MARKER BUOYS OSBORNE BAY
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN by the Queen’s Harbour Master Portsmouth, that four yellow permanent lit marker buoys will be laid in Osborne Bay Friday 12 October 2012 replacing the temporary buoys in the following positions:
Buoy 1: 50 45.445N 001 15.225W
Buoy 2: 50 45.425N 001 15.190W
Buoy 3: 50 45.405N 001 15.156W
Buoy 4: 50 45.384N 001 15.122W
Mariners are advised to keep clear of these marker buoys in the approaches to Osborne Bay.
Cancel this Local Notice To Mariners Mon 15th Oct 2012 (4 days)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Am I reading too much into this apparently simple LNTM?
Why would they place permanent marker buoys to mark a swimming area?
Would it not have been more cost effective to lift them and replace them at the start of the new season?
Or from a darker view point, at a later time point, when everything settles down, they become part of the status quo,( although I think they are very good band
) issue another LNTM saying all vessels keep clear of marker buoys and shore, no anchoring zone.Just thinking out loud,and you heard it here first