Orca Interaction Poll

What Should Be Done to Deter Orca Interactions with Yachts?

  • Tag the pod(s) and track their movements

    Votes: 10 17.9%

  • Cull the pod(s)

    Votes: 6 10.7%

  • Cull the suspect Orcas

    Votes: 9 16.1%

  • Develop an effective pinger

    Votes: 22 39.3%

  • Continue with commercially available anti-degredation pingers

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • Something else - which is.........

    Votes: 8 14.3%
  • Total voters
    56
  • Poll closed .
Major_Clanger said:
I see few parallels between the examples you give and the issues we face. And I definitely see no analogy between fishermen and farmers - farmers reap what they sow, fisherman just reap without much of a future plan. We don't own the fish anymore than we own the water they swim in. Common and Bottlenose dolphins also eat tuna AND they have attacked humans on occasion. Should we cull them too? And those pesky tuna; they eat loads of sardines. They'll have to go on the list as well.

Any seal??? Are you suggesting the Orcas are wrong for being carnivores? They have to eat too. :)

Yes, I know you're probably being deliberately flippant about it but Orcas aren't insentient in any sense of the word; they're remarkably intelligent and have social bonds which are probably more complex, and certainly more loyal than our own.

I personally know two boats/skippers who've suffered rudder damage and neither would want to see the animals killed.

As for asking someone who's sailed the Straits for a living - I don't have to. I'm a delivery skipper as you know and I've transited that Med/Atlantic coast like a yo-yo for the last few years.

Orca populations are in swift decline globally solely due to humans. Why hasten their extinction just so we can enjoy the water? Let's find a real answer that doesn't involve killing these remarkable animals.
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Sorry but you will never convince me.

Human lives first.
 
greeny said:
Endangered species? There's more now than there has been for years.
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The Iberian orca is currently classified on the IUCN Red List as a "critically endangered species", just one classification away from extincted ..

RYA web site "Orcas are a protected species under International, EU, Spanish and Portuguese law and as such it is illegal to take any action which may harm or disturb these marine mammals.

You could always google it as that information is on many sites . You could read from legit studies carried out that show todays population is no larger than it was in 2011.


greeny said:
Irresponsible? You're 'aving a larf!
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Not at all . Im quite shocked that someone on a public forum is actually suggesting illegal use of explosive devices against a critically endangered species. Do you think that is ok?
greeny said:
Prosecution?? Show me the evidence of this
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WCA files report of attack against Iberian orcas - World Cetacean Alliance
 
Here we go again. "Human activitiy is more important than the actual planet we live on" . Eh, no, it's not. I cant even believe this subject is worthy of discussion. Its not. You dont like Orcas and what they do then dont sail there. Orcas 1. Sailing 0.
 
Rappey said:
Neither. its a debate that been ongoing for quite some time just rehashing whats already been debated and still not achieving anything other than people suggesting harm towards a protected and endangered species because its interfering with their entitled luxury lifestyle
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Rappey said:
The Iberian orca is currently classified on the IUCN Red List as a "critically endangered species", just one classification away from extincted ..

RYA web site "Orcas are a protected species under International, EU, Spanish and Portuguese law and as such it is illegal to take any action which may harm or disturb these marine mammals.

You could always google it as that information is on many sites . You could read from legit studies carried out that show todays population is no larger than it was in 2011.



Not at all . Im quite shocked that someone on a public forum is actually suggesting illegal use of explosive devices against a critically endangered species. Do you think that is ok?


WCA files report of attack against Iberian orcas - World Cetacean Alliance
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That report is from 2023. From the WCA website. They have vested interest. They want to blow it up (no pun intended) as big as they can in the media. There never was a prosecution. Government did not do anything to the sailors involved. They investigated and did nothing.
 
I think some of you are getting carried away with the terms explosive devices. These are big bangers. They may well distress the orca and persuade them to leave the area but will not blow them up as some of you seem to be imagining. Many people get upset on November the 5th when lots of fireworks are set off and generally stay away or leave the area. I don't see government banning fireworks. Difference is that on Nov 5th people are doing it for fun. Boat skippers and fishermen are doing it to defend themselves and their boats.
 
greeny said:
I think some of you are getting carried away with the terms explosive devices.
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No, some are educated on the subject. Water is orders of magnitude more dense than air. Orca rely on sonar for food, socialising and communication. Setting off explosives damages their sensitive “hearing”.

Not carried away at all, no. Just educated.
 
greeny said:
. They investigated and did nothing.
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Evidence please.

The orca are struggling due to overfishing of tuna and increases of maritime traffic according to this article. Other web sites have similar information. They say there are only 40 left.
The Iberian Orca Population: A Fragile Balance

We are visitors in their habitat. They deserve respect which is where it becomes difficult when they are dismantling your rudder.
 
Rappey said:
Evidence please.

The orca are struggling due to overfishing of tuna and increases of maritime traffic according to this article. Other web sites have similar information. They say there are only 40 left.
The Iberian Orca Population: A Fragile Balance

We are visitors in their habitat. They deserve respect which is where it becomes difficult when they are dismantling your rudder.
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How many have their ever been. Apparently they are talking of a small sub population that exists mainly in the straits of Gibraltar which won't support a large number.
 
Trident said:
Why?

Seriously , why?

Edited as my thoughts on your plan would breach the terms here
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You're all right Jack. .......

People don't seem to care about the impact that's being felt by those whose living depends on being at sea there.

Man v blubber in the Straits has been going on for 2000 or more years.

Consider that. And I will totally refrain from criticising the way you live your life and the harm its doing. Coz one way or another we all are....
 
capnsensible said:
You're all right Jack. .......

People don't seem to care about the impact that's being felt by those whose living depends on being at sea there.

Man v blubber in the Straits has been going on for 2000 or more years.

Consider that. And I will totally refrain from criticising the way you live your life and the harm it’s doing. Coz one way or another we
capnsensible said:
You're all right Jack. .......

People don't seem to care about the impact that's being felt by those whose living depends on being at sea there.

Man v blubber in the Straits has been going on for 2000 or more years.

Consider that. And I will totally refrain from criticising the way you live your life and the harm its doing. Coz one way or another we all are....
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having sailed around Spain for many years and lived there for several I have yet to meet a fisherman who I wouldn’t happily fillet and feed to the orcas …
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lustyd said:
No, some are educated on the subject. Water is orders of magnitude more dense than air. Orca rely on sonar for food, socialising and communication. Setting off explosives damages their sensitive “hearing”.

Not carried away at all, no. Just educated.
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well, supposedly, they are highly intelligent.., and can communicate with each other.

So, it won't take very many fireworks before all the Orca know to stay away from sailboats if they don't want loud noises.
 
@Trident
… having sailed around Spain for many years and lived there for several I have yet to meet a fisherman who I wouldn’t happily fillet and feed to the orcas …
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That comment is not really on, reeks of bigotry.

The ecological threats facing all of us on this planet are not going to be helped by such comments.

Spain and other countries have embraced tourism, inward investment and expatriates, expanded their towns and consumed their resources excessively.

Fisherman all over are at the bottom of the pile, getting crumbs from the cake, and being equally exploited.

The Orcas, demand for leisure, revenues, government policy, consumerism et cetera means such problems are difficult, maybe impossible to solve for the benefit and satisfaction of all.

At the heart of this shit fest, is rampant consumerism, our actions, demands and self satisfaction, delivered for profit, mainly at any cost. If folks think the answer is to slice people up and feed them to the fish, then there is no hope.
 
Laser310 said:
well, supposedly, they are highly intelligent.., and can communicate with each other.

So, it won't take very many fireworks before all the Orca know to stay away from sailboats if they don't want loud noises.
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Can communicate until we make them deaf with fireworks. Then their mates might decide humans need culling as they’re dangerous.
 
Rappey said:
Evidence please.

The orca are struggling due to overfishing of tuna and increases of maritime traffic according to this article. Other web sites have similar information. They say there are only 40 left.
The Iberian Orca Population: A Fragile Balance

We are visitors in their habitat. They deserve respect which is where it becomes difficult when they are dismantling your rudder.
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Absolute rubbish. Again. Find me an official study that says this. The governments are now raising tuna fishing limits because tuna and orca numbers are on the increase. That's a fact not a page from the internet written by people to make their business look ecological and attractive to the public. They are a marine tourism company.
 
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