Optimum speed for best fuel consumption?

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law of physics, cap\'n

look, it can't be "easier" to go fast than slow, can it? Otherwise yerd break the laws of physics, captain. Withh a given small amount of fuel entering the engine would then travel at the easiest possible speed which (if it was really fabbest mpg at 15 knots) would be 15knots - the slowest and easiest speed. "Easiness" is measured by how much fuel is burned - Essentially, the faster you go, the harder it is, so the more fuel burned. Splishing and sploshing water all over as when on the plane uses loads of energy, so not doing that must use less, or much less. There are issues regarding efficiency of engine, but these are tiny relative to the very difficult process of getting a boat goping through water, not easy at all.

Not at all sure that resitance to fwd motions is a function of velocity CUBED (otherwise a boat wd use 64 times as much at 40 knots as at 10 knots) and reynold's number is dependent only upon a single power of velocity.

but anyway, the slower the cheaper imho, within limits of 1-10 knots depending on engine, prop etc etc.

The royal navy speed limit is 12knots to save fuel.

I don't believe that a boat tester has the time or budget to perform extensive fuel mpg tests which in reality would take days and days for repeatability and accuracy, but will happily learn otherwise. Kim?




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Re: law of physics, cap\'n

> look, it can't be "easier" to go fast than slow, can it?

Why not? ramjets/scramjets work most efficiently at high speeds.

Propellors are rather like an automatic car transmission that slips a lot at low speeds, and progressively locks up at higher speeds. You don't get any reward for that low speed slip, it's just lost energy churning up the water.

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Re: law of physics, cap\'n

Could that be cos you can compress gas at that height and temp, would be very interested to see you compress H20 at sea level.

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Re: law of physics, cap\'n

I try every time I fall off my windsurf board at 18knots. It doesn't work: the water feels like concrete.

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Adarcy, yes friends, I wasn't getting annoyed :)

All agreed, except your point 2. Fluids sucking by osmosis thru a membrane is a quite different set of physics (molecular level stuff) from fluid dynamics, so let's leave that out. Though an osmotically "powered" boat is an interesting green concept.....!

Fluids still push. In the syringe example, pulling the plunger reduces pressure inside the syringe - the outside atmospheric pressure then pushes the medecine into the syringe. The low pressure air inside the syringe doesn't pull anything, the tensile strength of air is quite low indeed.

You are correct that fluid dynamicists generally accept that "aeroplane propellors work by reduced pressure in front of the blade rather than compressing the air behind the blade". But that is a different point. That is all about how propellors creat the pressure differential. Once the differential is created, then molecularly it is still the high pressure air behind the blade that pushes the plane forwards. The low pressure air in front does not pull the plane, because as I say the tensile strength of air is very low

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Re: Cringe quake

Not sure wot this arguement is about, But anyway I think yer wrong. Dont know much about propellors but wings are certainly lifted by the vaccum above. Sailing boats are mainly pulled along rather than pushed. Ok there pushed a bit, but they go much fasted on a broad reach, cos then get both pushed and pulled. Explain how a yacht goes up to 30deg to windward if it's not pulled??? Go on answer that then.../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Re: Cringe quake

You reckon aircraft wings are lifted by the vacuum above? Go on then, get a piece of air, any size will do. Stick the bottom of the piece of air to a sheet of aluminium to represent the aircraft wing. Yes, I mean STICK it, becuase the air above a wing can only pull the wing upwards if it actually attached. And no, I do not know exactly what type of glue or sellotape works best, but I assume you do. Then get hold of the top of the air and pull upwards, so as to lift the aluminium sheet stuck to the bottom of the piece of air. Then tell us how you get on.... :)

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Re: Cringe quake

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Re: Cringe quake

Now remember chaps, I'm as thick as a plank so please don't torch me but isn't a vacuum actually an absence of air, or perhaps a reduction in air pressure therefore air doesn't really have to stick to anything?? Hence vaccum created by differential in air pressures on different sides of a sail/wing created by air moving at different speeds on opposite sides of sail/wings, sucks plane UP or Sail, ipso facto Boat, along?? I'm off back to the idiots corner now. Paul

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Re:Bernoulli,s principle.

It flys cos their are more molycules of air bashing the under side of the wing upwards than there are bashing the top of the wing downwards.Stop me if I get to technical..

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Re:Bernoulli,s principle.

How they fly upside down then!!

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Re:Bernoulli,s principle.

You will then need to fly at a greater angle of attack to achieve same thing and stay flying.However most aerobatic airplanes have (almost)symetric wing aerofoil sections so can fly nearly as well up right or otherway up.

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