On being "Hove to"...

[Billjratt]

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Thanks, TG, for a bit of focus as a change from all the tangential arguments of the intelligencia...lots of committee fodder on here.

 

[Plomong]

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So then. Hove to is definitely not "Not under command".

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Vessel Not Under Command: "Vessel which through some exceptional circumstances is unable to manoeuvre as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel".

IMHO, a sailing ship with helm lashed down and struggling to survive in a fierce storm is NUC, since it cannot manoeuvre to get out of the way ....

A sailing boat hove-to in a storm as a "survival" tactic cannot manoeuvre, sail forwards, or do anything other than be hove-to or lie ahull, so she could be considered NUC.

A sailing boat hove-to for a lunch break or a rest is definitely NOT NUC: she can manoeuvre if necessary.

A large sailing ship hove-to for a break or training for its crew would not, IMHO, be NUC, unless the time required to resume sailing and gather steerage way would be excessive and thus she could be considered as being NUC.

All in my humble opinion.

And the one who decides to declare the vessel NUC, or not, is the master of the vessel, not the oncoming mobo or whoever. Only the master can know if "exceptional circumstances" exist that make the vessel "unable to manoeuvre as required ..."

 

[Plomong]

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hear hear !!!!!

 

[Litotes]

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A sailing vessel that is hove to is under way and making way. Her status in relation to the collision regulations does not change simply because her jib is aback (which is normally the case when a yacht is hove to) This is one reason why it is preferable to heave to on the starboard tack. Incidentally, that is also the reason why the galley on a traditionally laid out yacht will normally be on the port side - so that it is on the "down" side if she is hove to in order to prepare a meal.

There are many circumstances in which the ability to manoeuvre may be reduced, for example in very heavy weather, without the vessel being treated as NUC. In any case, a yacht hove to can be set to sailing again without difficulty, should the need arise.

This isn't a matter for individual judgment. If we could all decide to be "NUC" on a whim because we felt a bit "out of control" there would be chaos. The whole object of the regulations is to make things predictable.

Most "old timers" know this and professional sailors certainly do.

 

[webcraft]

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You've all been well an truly DAKA'd haven't you?? If this guy isn't DAKA then he is an even bigger great plonking troll.

IMO MoBoers who troll on SB should be shunned - they should have NO replies. Why they take so much satisfaction in proving to us that they are dangerous argumentative illiterate morons with more money than sense is beyond me.

- W

 

[BlueSkyNick]

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You are the one who is being gullible on this. I repeat my previous comment:

"I realise the similarity in style to Daka, but this guy has given the real name of a real boat in a real marina - unlikely for a pseudonym, I'd have thought.

I think he is a genuine guy who just doesnt quite understand the rules correctly, which is fair enough - we were all there once upon a time, some are still. "

But would now change the second sentence to:

I think he is a stubborn [--word removed--] who doesn't want to understand the rules correctly, or to admit to being wrong.

 

[webcraft]

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I think he is a stubborn [--word removed--] who doesn't want to understand the rules correctly, or to admit to being wrong.

[/ QUOTE ] And I stand by my statement - whether this guy is DAKA or not makes no difference, you have been DAKAed - it is now an official word in Buttspeak . . .

- W