GDEvans
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I would beg to differ on your first point. The Water Club of the Harbour of Cork was founded in 1720 - this became the Royal Cork Yacht Club in 1800. Hence the Cork 1720 yachts.
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I would beg to differ on your first point. The Water Club of the Harbour of Cork was founded in 1720 - this became the Royal Cork Yacht Club in 1800. Hence the Cork 1720 yachts.
Searush
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But Ireland (all of it) was part of the UK in 1720 & 1800. Many of the population may not have accepted English rule or governance, but it was a fact.
PintPlease
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kieler woche (kiel week) 1882 according to wikipedia
VO5
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I will consult the oracle and let you know the results of my consultation.
VO5
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I have consulted the oracle and my original post is correct.
I posted "outside" the United Kingdom and not "inside" it.
Cork is in Ireland. At that time Ireland was already part of the United Kingdom, Gibraltar was not, it was a British Colony at that time and therefore outside, not inside.
We therefore are the oldest Royal Yacht Club outside the United Kingdom.
I posted "outside" the United Kingdom and not "inside" it.
Cork is in Ireland. At that time Ireland was already part of the United Kingdom, Gibraltar was not, it was a British Colony at that time and therefore outside, not inside.
We therefore are the oldest Royal Yacht Club outside the United Kingdom.
awol
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I beg to differ The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland came into existence on 1st Jan 1801 following acts of union by the London and Dublin parliaments in 1800.
Since 1921 Ireland has not been part of the UK so the Royal Cork is outside the UK and received its warrant long before the ex-pat newbies of Gilbraltar got theirs.
Searush
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Have you explained that to Longshanks, Cromwell et al? OK, the United Kingdom may not have existed as such, but Ireland was occupied by the English & thus under English rule.
How can anyone be inside or outside the UK, if it hadn't been invented? Your comment is completely irrelevant, but "thank you for that".
GDEvans
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Have you explained that to Longshanks, Cromwell et al? OK, the United Kingdom may not have existed as such, but Ireland was occupied by the English & thus under English rule.
How can anyone be inside or outside the UK, if it hadn't been invented? Your comment is completely irrelevant, but "thank you for that".
The United Kingdom of Britain (England, Wales and Scotland) was created on 1 May 1707. The United Kingdom of Britain and Ireland was created on 1 Jan 1801. So therefore, in 1720, Ireland was not part of the United Kingdom.
The real question is whether you consider the date of founding of a club, or the date it was granted its Royal Charter. The RCYC was founded in 1720 (under a different name), but awarded its charter in 1831. The Royal Gib YC was founded in 1829, but appears to have been awarded its charter in 1837.
I would argue that the most important date for calculating the age of a yacht club was that of the founding - not the granting of the Royal Charter. So the oldest Royal YC in the world is the RCYC. And it currently is not in the UK (it is irrelevant whether it was at some point in its past a part of the UK). Ergo the oldest Royal Yacht Club outside the United Kingdom is the Royal Cork Yacht Club.
If you had said that the Royal Gib YC was the first yacht club outside the UK (at the time of granting) to be granted a Royal Charter, then you would indeed be correct. This may be semantics, but the subtle changing of a few words can completely change the meaning of a statement.
To test my theory, I suggest you mention to the lovely people of Crosshaven that the Royal Cork YC is in the United Kingdom. You may end up wearing your pint of Murphys or Beamish.
VO5
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Ex pat newbies indeed !
What do you know about Gibraltar, AWOL ? What exactly ? What ?
Zero I expect.
The ex pat newbies are the Anglo Saxon creatures who live on the Costa del Sol (the costa del crime) and who visit here in marauding droves on cheap day coach tours to buy tobacco and alcohol, the swill beer in pubs, to laugh loudly in unison like horses neighing, to wear clashing colours, to exemplify everything that is in bad taste, to show off their horrid tattoos and to drop all their Hs, and to make anyone in the English speaking world feel decidedly embarrassed, that's who the expat newbies are.
We are fussy here and don't exactly fraternise with them or encourage them.
If you do not believe me come here and experience it for yourself and then you will know what an ex pat newbie really is instead of making these fanciful, ill considered pronouncements..
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awol
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Ex pat newbies indeed !
What do you know about Gibraltar, AWOL ? What exactly ? What ?
Zero I expect.
OOps! I was referring to
Not exactly inclusive of the indigenous population.
And, of course, there are Swedish, Netherland, Greek, Spanish and no doubt other "Royal" yacht clubs to consider in the "non-UK" category.
VO5
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That is correct. The club was founded by serving Royal Navy Officers stationed here in 1829. Thereafter it was not an exclusive RN Club.
I am well aware of other Royal Yacht Clubs belonging to other nations.
Nor are they entitled to fly red or blue ensigns,
Other nations are not British, they are their own nationalities.
The Royal Gibraltar Yacht Club remains the oldest Royal Yacht Club outside the UK., period.
Ubergeekian
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I believe the indigenous inhabitants of Gibraltar look like this
although there has of course been a lot of interbreeding over the years.
VO5
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I believe the indigenous inhabitants of Gibraltar look like this
although there has of course been a lot of interbreeding over the years.
Aren't you funny ? Here you are throwing stones in glass houses (yours of course)..
On another thread you post that you are saving up to buy a boat hook, like a little boy counting the contents of his piggy bank...
Pathetic, it really is...
Ubergeekian
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On another thread you post that you are saving up to buy a boat hook, like a little boy counting the contents of his piggy bank...
Yes, rather sweet, isn't it? If only I had enough to make it worthwhile keeping in a dubious tax haven ...
Pathetic, it really is...
Ah. That famously fierce Spanish pride!
awol
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Now, now ladies. You'll just get your blood pressure up.
However, while I really don't care which is the most venerable and suspect that when they were formed none of the Royal clubs would have welcomed me as a member, I do object to VO5 making a statement which, without qualification, is blatantly untrue and may lead to some poor oik losing out in a pub quiz, the only place where it might actually matter. The Royal Cork is older than the Royal Gibraltar, got its "royal" cachet earlier, and is not situated within the United Kingdom. Therefore the Royal Gibraltar is not the oldest royal yacht club outside the uk., period.
Perhaps I could mention I wear my RGYC burgee and undefaced blue (no colonial adornment needed) with a certain pleasure - that surely makes it a more senior club?
edit - incidentally the Royal Cork does have a blue ensign defaced with a shamrock
However, while I really don't care which is the most venerable and suspect that when they were formed none of the Royal clubs would have welcomed me as a member, I do object to VO5 making a statement which, without qualification, is blatantly untrue and may lead to some poor oik losing out in a pub quiz, the only place where it might actually matter. The Royal Cork is older than the Royal Gibraltar, got its "royal" cachet earlier, and is not situated within the United Kingdom. Therefore the Royal Gibraltar is not the oldest royal yacht club outside the uk., period.
Perhaps I could mention I wear my RGYC burgee and undefaced blue (no colonial adornment needed) with a certain pleasure - that surely makes it a more senior club?
edit - incidentally the Royal Cork does have a blue ensign defaced with a shamrock
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VO5
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Now, now ladies. You'll just get your blood pressure up.
However, while I really don't care which is the most venerable and suspect that when they were formed none of the Royal clubs would have welcomed me as a member, I do object to VO5 making a statement which, without qualification, is blatantly untrue and may lead to some poor oik losing out in a pub quiz, the only place where it might actually matter. The Royal Cork is older than the Royal Gibraltar, got its "royal" cachet earlier, and is not situated within the United Kingdom. Therefore the Royal Gibraltar is not the oldest royal yacht club outside the uk., period.
Perhaps I could mention I wear my RGYC burgee and undefaced blue (no colonial adornment needed) with a certain pleasure - that surely makes it a more senior club?
edit - incidentally the Royal Cork does have a blue ensign defaced with a shamrock
Really ?
Thank you for flying the flag.
VO5
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Funny you are...you make me laugh...
The point is...you make all these ill advised interjections and one would think from your posture and demeanour that you are the owner and master of a really serious sailing vessel....with square sails, jibs, studding sails, staysails, ratlines and bowsprit, dolphin striker, catheads and all else.
But in reality you publicly admit to saving up to acquire a boat hook.
Let's be honest.
Isn't your posture ridiculous, trivial in the extreme ?
JP Morgan, the Wall Street finacier and Commodore of the New York Yacht Club once said, and I quote:~
"If you have to grumble about how much you have to spend on your yacht, then you cannot possibly afford it".
Then it might be a good idea for you to consider downsizing to a sharpie or a dinghy and then you would not have these problems is the best advice you can be given as one of several pointers I amicably submit to you, which I sincerely believe to be in your own best interest..
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Ubergeekian
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Good heavens. My writing must be better than I thought. At the moment my fleet is a Hunter 490, a Westerly Jouster (no reasonable offer refused) and a Victoria 26. All have jibs, and none of the sails to the best of my knowledge - there is is one bag in the forecabin of the Victoria which I haven't dared open yet - is square. I do not believe in striking dolphins. Dolphins are our friends.
A one hundred and seventy five pound (that's 200 euros) boat hook. A symphony in aluminium bronze. A kinetic sculpture of unparalleled audacity. To call a Davey and Co. "Grabit" a mere boat hook is to call the Prado a picture gallery.
You'll be pleased to know that my current ten quid Plastimo boat hook was bought without undue suffering, although we couldn't afford meat for dinner on board for a few days.
Yes. Wholly so.
Of course I can't afford my boat. Anybody who really gets bitten by the sailing bug will have a boat they can't afford. Would Bill Gates buy a Bavaria? If I wanted a boat I could afford I wouldn't have given my Mirror dinghy to a local farmer's children and even that was coming up for a potentially ruinous repainting. Twenty quid for a can of Donegal Green? I ask you.
Yours in cheerful penury
Ubergeekian
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VO5
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awol
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Oh Dear ! We'll have to organise a whip round then..
Can I put in a bid for some of the dosh you are collecting? My RGYC burgee is on it's 3rd repointing and my boathook is but a brush handle with a metal end. Added to that my fleet consists of only one yacht which I certainly can't afford (according to my wife anyway) - I even have to do my own maintenance work.