Old Yamaha 2 Stroke Outboards?

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northcave said:
I’m looking for a 6-8hp 2 Stroke Yamaha to replace my 3.5hp mercury 4 stroke.

I’m considering Yamaha pretty much because I see them a lot while cruising abroad and everyone claims they’re the best of all 2 strokes and easy to maintain. Reliable and light.

Anyway there are various online for sale but is there one type I should look out for?

There’s an old 8Hp 667 near me and a really old 6hp. See pics. Although they run are these likely to be more of a liability than a long term reliable investment?
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wouldnt touch either of those Engines, they are seriously old. The current crop of yamaha Enduro 2strokes are super reliable if you can find one
 
Refueler said:
Bit of a generalisation ?

I have a number 1980's engines and all reliable ... start easy ..... I would use them where ever ..
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Thats great but engines that are 40 years old are not the same as modern two strokes. Having had numerous old 2 strokes in the past nothing compares to the modern equivelent for reliability.
 
geem said:
Thats great but engines that are 40 years old are not the same as modern two strokes. Having had numerous old 2 strokes in the past nothing compares to the modern equivelent for reliability.
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OK ... with oil injection and various improvements etc. - I agree. BUT the leisure boater is not allowed to buy new 2 strokers .. and any of the later 2 strokers are real premium price IF you can find any.
 
Refueler said:
OK ... with oil injection and various improvements etc. - I agree. BUT the leisure boater is not allowed to buy new 2 strokers .. and any of the later 2 strokers are real premium price IF you can find any.
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Unless you are in the Caribbean. You can buy a Tohatsu 9.8hp at the moment for $1400 in Budget Marine in St Martin
 
geem said:
Unless you are in the Caribbean. You can buy a Tohatsu 9.8hp at the moment for $1400 in Budget Marine in St Martin
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;) Hang on ... I'll just check with my travel desk about getting to Carib and back with my new Tohatsu !! ;)

Local Diving co here I have connection with - was replacing its Mariner 20HP from its service tender. I didn't know till I was chatting about my Evinrude 18 one day. They wanted 250 Euros for it ...
I couldn't get the cash out fast enough ...

First thing I did was give it to service guy who checked it out and pronounced it good as new.

The Evinrude it replaced - which itself is good machine was 300 quid in UK ....
 
geem said:
Thats great but engines that are 40 years old are not the same as modern two strokes. Having had numerous old 2 strokes in the past nothing compares to the modern equivelent for reliability.
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Unfortunately in the UK it is illegal to buy 2 strokes now so we are left with the older ones - so we are at a double disadvantage to you - old 2 strokes and miserable weather compared to your location!:(
 
geem said:
Unless you are in the Caribbean. You can buy a Tohatsu 9.8hp at the moment for $1400 in Budget Marine in St Martin
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That is very interesting indeed.
We are planning to buy a 9.8 2T Tohatsu to go on our 3.1m RIB, but we don't anticipate really needing it until we cross the pond.
Getting a brand new one in the UK is, um, tricky, and I've been waiting for a suitable secondhand one to come up for sale within a realistic distance of me for about a year now.
A brand new one, at that price, when we arrive in the Carib sounds like the ideal answer. Do you know if similar deals are available elsewhere? We would likely be aiming for landfall in Barbados or further south.
 
Had an 8hp Yamaha twin with electric start. Swapped it for a brand new 6hp Tohatsu 4 stroke, because the bosun preferred the lack of smoke when the wind was aft. Eventually sold the Yamaha to a guy in Ireland and regretted it ever since....! (he was well pleased). Last year bought an old (2004) 8hp twin Tohatsu and fettled it, just as good as the Yamaha (tho perhaps not quite as well put together) so well pleased, only thing I will say is that the fuel consumption is at least twice that of the 4 stroke, so maybe the green guys have a point....
 
Kelpie said:
That is very interesting indeed.
We are planning to buy a 9.8 2T Tohatsu to go on our 3.1m RIB, but we don't anticipate really needing it until we cross the pond.
Getting a brand new one in the UK is, um, tricky, and I've been waiting for a suitable secondhand one to come up for sale within a realistic distance of me for about a year now.
A brand new one, at that price, when we arrive in the Carib sounds like the ideal answer. Do you know if similar deals are available elsewhere? We would likely be aiming for landfall in Barbados or further south.
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They are on offer at the moment with 30% off. Dont know why but its a great deal. St Martin is the cheapest place for outboards as a rule as they are tax free
 
sparkie said:
Had an 8hp Yamaha twin with electric start. Swapped it for a brand new 6hp Tohatsu 4 stroke, because the bosun preferred the lack of smoke when the wind was aft. Eventually sold the Yamaha to a guy in Ireland and regretted it ever since....! (he was well pleased). Last year bought an old (2004) 8hp twin Tohatsu and fettled it, just as good as the Yamaha (tho perhaps not quite as well put together) so well pleased, only thing I will say is that the fuel consumption is at least twice that of the 4 stroke, so maybe the green guys have a point....
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If the engine is running correctly it should have the similar fuel consumption as a similar sized four stroke. We did a three holiday a few years ago in the isle of Scilly. Ten boats from our sailing club. We were all bobbing around in our dinghies between islands. Most cruisers had a small two stroke or four stroke engine on an inflatable. At the time we had a 9 ft rib with a Tohatsu 9.8 two stroke. We went faster and further than anybody during that three weeks holiday and used less fuel. Spending life on the plane saves fuel. A yamaha dealer told me that you only get fuel savings on four strokes when they go fuel injection. Now that companies like Suzuki have brought out fuel injection for engines as small as 15 hp I am sure they are very economical. Our bug bear with two strokes is the cost of oil. We do a lot of mileage and seem to use a lot of oil. We run a Yamaha 15hp Enduro and a Tohatsu 9.8hp, both two strokes
 
I've an old possibly 1996 6hp 2 cyclinder 2t Yamaha. In calm flat weather it could push me at 17knts which felt like I was about to open up a black hole and distort space time. 10-12knts is more comfortable.

It takes 100:1 mix, I've noticed the Tohastus and similar use a 50:1 mix.

Anyhow it works well. Yamaha is by far the most popular engine I've seen on my cruising and parts are available everywhere.
 
geem said:
If the engine is running correctly it should have the similar fuel consumption as a similar sized four stroke. We did a three holiday a few years ago in the isle of Scilly. Ten boats from our sailing club. We were all bobbing around in our dinghies between islands. Most cruisers had a small two stroke or four stroke engine on an inflatable. At the time we had a 9 ft rib with a Tohatsu 9.8 two stroke. We went faster and further than anybody during that three weeks holiday and used less fuel. Spending life on the plane saves fuel. A yamaha dealer told me that you only get fuel savings on four strokes when they go fuel injection. Now that companies like Suzuki have brought out fuel injection for engines as small as 15 hp I am sure they are very economical. Our bug bear with two strokes is the cost of oil. We do a lot of mileage and seem to use a lot of oil. We run a Yamaha 15hp Enduro and a Tohatsu 9.8hp, both two strokes
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In theory, 4 strokes are more fuel efficient Tohatsu quote the 9.8 2 stroke consuming 4.9 L/hr, the 4 stroke 3.8 L/hr but, as they point out, there are many factors to consider. Tohatsu Outboard Engines - Tohatsu boat engines, parts, and accessories
 
geem said:
They are on offer at the moment with 30% off. Dont know why but its a great deal. St Martin is the cheapest place for outboards as a rule as they are tax free
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We don't expect to be in that part of the world until 2022 at the earliest.
How much trade is there is secondhand outboards? And how do you ensure that you're not handling stolen goods :o
 
geem said:
They are on offer at the moment with 30% off. Dont know why but its a great deal. St Martin is the cheapest place for outboards as a rule as they are tax free
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The dutch side. The French side is France and so EU, same as Martinique, Guadeloupe etc... The French were smart and managed to hang to their territories unlike the UK. I understand that the Dutch offered some of it's territories independence, but a few refused as they enjoy receiving the hand-outs from the Dutch government.
 
Chances are that your 40 year old outboard will work just fine....BUT....the problem comes when you do need to undo something.

Is every fastener seized solid? Probably.
 
Mikedefieslife said:
The dutch side. The French side is France and so EU, same as Martinique, Guadeloupe etc... The French were smart and managed to hang to their territories unlike the UK. I understand that the Dutch offered some of it's territories independence, but a few refused as they enjoy receiving the hand-outs from the Dutch government.
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The UK and offshore territories .... the UK did not LOSE them ... they sorted so that they are part of the financial web run from City of London ... but can be counted as separate from UK Govt and pressure from EU / USA / others to regulate ..
 
wombat88 said:
Chances are that your 40 year old outboard will work just fine....BUT....the problem comes when you do need to undo something.

Is every fastener seized solid? Probably.
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Mine is 24 years old, take off the cowl and it's like new. Not a single corroded fastener in sight It's the outside that looks a little old and tired.

My small Mercury was another matter.

Refueler said:
The UK and offshore territories .... the UK did not LOSE them ... they sorted so that they are part of the financial web run from City of London ... but can be counted as separate from UK Govt and pressure from EU / USA / others to regulate ..
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Lost as in they are not part of the UK. The French territories are part of France, just like say Cornwall, or Durham are part of the UK, slightly different tax regime but a normal part of France none the less, and hence also part of the EU.

The British territories not so much. For example a Brit cannot just up and move to British Virgin Islands for example. Hell, a Brit can't even move to the Channel Islands.

The USA is another matter. Nevada now is the capital of money laundering in competition with Delaware. Not so much for US nationals, but for forgieners. Look into how they manage trusts.
 
The USA is another matter. Nevada now is the capital of money laundering in competition with Delaware. Not so much for US nationals, but for forgieners. Look into how they manage trusts.
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USA saw how the UK did it and tried to emulate ... but its a far cry from City of London's system and is why CoL still controls over 40% ... something the US has been trying to break for decades ...

Suggest watching :


I have company registered in Belize ... if it was better to be Delaware or Nevada - I would have done it there - but its not. Many Multi International company's I have as clients are registered in UK Offshore territories and they choose those instead of such as Delaware because in many countries Delaware as example is blacklisted. I accept that many UK offshore are as well - but usually only with a financial penalty for any invoicing ... there's far more to it than just registering ...
 
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