Old Teak Deck ?What Alternative

[jimi]

Re: Ethical teak.

Alors .. whit teak iz zis zat you speak? I sea no teak . zin fact I zot you haf made ze vaterland sacrifice vy shooting ze cat .. oooh err I mean "get me rid of zese teak decks " and yo did .. replacing zem with ze plastique de re rape oilez .. non?
Je vous admirez .. respect mein herr!

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[jimi]

Re: Ethical teak.

I've got teak garden furniture.. grown by Scats .. much better with the Burmese stuff really before they burn it all to grow opium

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[hamish]

Re: Old Teak Deck Update

Dear All,

thanks for replying, must be good as we made the front page.

I did copy my original letter to Paul Jeffes so as far as "real cost" being 25k instead of 15k
I will leave to him. I gather that the Oyster has been bought, so we could wait and see what the
final price for upgrading this boat is.

I agree with all that the real cost of replacement a teak desk is the work to remove the
old fixtures and fitting and then old teak deck. Having worked on a friends Sigma 41, it takes
alot longer than you think. It takes long enough just servicing all the winches (13), my job!.

I have had the privillage of sailing a HR45 over 3 seasons moving it from UK to Corfu. Even if
this boat did not have a teak deck (which it did) it would still be a genuine HR (IMHO jonjo). The hull
and the designer makes the (quality) boats not the type of deck.

Most teak decks would need work after 10 years, note that heavy washing or cleaning going WITH the grain can
reduce this time scale. If the teak has not lifted (which is why it is screwed down) then replacing the
Sikaflex and giving it a light sanding. 1mm loss in 11 years from wood that was 10mm thick sounds like
a well looked after deck to me.

Finally, I do not like flames (Still waiting for "sustainable teak supplier" , Why such a bee in your bonnet) in any conferance so if the person(s) on "Ethical teak" want to continue this would they please start another thread. I will join you there. thank you

best regards

Hamish

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[hamish]

Dear All,

thanks for replying, must be good as we made the front page.

I did copy my original letter to Paul Jeffes so as far as "real cost" being 25k instead of 15k
I will leave to him. I gather that the Oyster has been bought, so we could wait and see what the
final price for upgrading this boat is.

I agree with all that the real cost of replacement a teak desk is the work to remove the
old fixtures and fitting and then old teak deck. Having worked on a friends Sigma 41, it takes
alot longer than you think. It takes long enough just servicing all the winches (13), my job!.

I have had the privillage of sailing a HR45 over 3 seasons moving it from UK to Corfu. Even if
this boat did not have a teak deck (which it did) it would still be a genuine HR (IMHO jonjo). The hull
and the designer makes the (quality) boats not the type of deck.

Most teak decks would need work after 10 years, note that heavy washing or cleaning going WITH the grain can
reduce this time scale. If the teak has not lifted (which is why it is screwed down) then replacing the
Sikaflex and giving it a light sanding. 1mm loss in 11 years from wood that was 10mm thick sounds like
a well looked after deck to me.

Finally, I do not like flames (Still waiting for "sustainable teak supplier" , Why such a bee in your bonnet) in any conferance so if the person(s) on "Ethical teak" want to continue this would they please start another thread. I will join you there. thank you

best regards

Hamish

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[tcm]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

Not to worry about the sustainable teak - we've got loads here in the yard and when that lot's gone there another load coming a week on Friday so it is most definitely sustainable.

As far as the trees are concerned, they already grown so somebody some day is gonna choppem down - if we save them now it's Treadmaster for us and the grandchildren get all the teak. So we may as well have the stuff ourselves, as long as we plant some more.

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[alec]

>Finally, I do not like flames (Still waiting for "sustainable teak supplier" , Why such a bee in your bonnet) in any conferance so if the person(s) on "Ethical teak" want to continue this would they please start another thread. I will join you there. thank you’<

This is the first time that I have heard a poster placing restrictions on how someone should respond to a thread. Clearly you are not in favour of free speech on this forum. If you post in future, I feel you should make clear the conditions of reply at the outset.

I would genuinely like to know if there is any ethical and sustainable teak available. If there was, perhaps I and others would try and support it. The free passing of information is often part of the forums.Threads often start somewhere and finish somewhere else but no one other than yourself appears to want to change this.

Although a poster has stated that he has obtained some, he appears to be unable or unwilling to provide a lead where we can get it. Fair enough.

Much information on the net is available concerning teak. To my knowledge, there is very little replanting, if any, taking place. Perhaps even more important is the slavery of children in the teak forests. I would urge you to take some time out yourself to find out the facts. Though you appear not to want this information known on your thread.

We can and do as individuals, make a huge difference to other peoples’s lives in our choices. Although some contributors to this thread seem to think it is a waste of time.

We seem to have very strong views on how others should conduct their lives, as I said , I am as much to blame as anyone else. Perhaps it’s marina owners, wind farms, the RYA, red diesel, water or political threads like the Iraq war which are permitted on this forum. My point, is that when it comes to our own individual choices , we often do the exact opposite. Are we not hypocrites ?

Often this is done out of our own ignorance. PBO ran a main feature a couple of month's ago on this very subject which hardly helps the situation. I would guess that the Editor genuinely has no idea of what is happening to children.








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[alec]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

I cannot take your point.

If European softwood forests can be run on a sustainable basis. That is, by providing a valuable resource to others, and a sustainable living and future to people who can grow it, why can't hardwoods be the same ?

I admit that hardwoods probably take a human generation to grow, which surely suggests that we should be very careful how we use it. Particularly as the peoples who are being exploited often have no say in the matter because there is no democracy present.

Surely what has happened to fishing points the way ?

It would seem that you have also given up on what we, as individuals can do. I would urge you to reconsider.









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[hamish]

Re: Ethical teak.

Dear All,

thanks for replying, must be good as we made the front page.

I did copy my original letter to Paul Jeffes so as far as "real cost" being
25k instead of 15k I will leave to him. I gather that the Oyster has been
bought, so we could wait and see what the final price for upgrading this
boat is.

I agree with all that the real cost of replacement a teak desk is the work
to remove the
old fixtures and fitting and then old teak deck. Having worked on a friends
Sigma 41, it takes alot longer than you think. It takes long enough just
servicing all the winches (13), my job!.

I have had the privilege of sailing a HR45 over 3 seasons moving it from UK
to Corfu. Even if this boat did not have a teak deck (which it did) it
would still be a genuine HR (IMHO jonjo). The hull and the designer makes
the (quality) boats not the type of deck.

Most teak decks would need work after 10 years, note that heavy washing or
cleaning going WITH the grain can reduce this time scale. If the teak has
not lifted (which is why it is screwed down) then replacing the Sikaflex
and giving it a light sanding. 1mm loss in 11 years from wood that was 10mm
thick sounds like a well looked after deck to me.

Finally, I do not like flames (Still waiting for "sustainable teak supplier"
, Why such a bee in your bonnet) in any conference so if the person(s) on
"Ethical teak" want to continue this would they please start another thread.
I will join you there. thank you

best regards

Hamish


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[boatless]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

Instead of just winding everybody up, why don't you tell us what you HAVE found out about sources of sustainably grown hardwoods?

Some pointers as to where we might buy it could help - or who we could complain to - with you.

I don't think many people here are too happy with the lack of environmental backbone demonstrated by governments and timber importers.

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[tcm]

Re: Teak deck replacement - alternative

instead of replacing a teak deck, i think you could consider alternatives which produce the same or very nearly the same result.

First of all, get someone to give you a good kicking or to otherwise bust your back. Tell them to pay special attention to stamping on your fingers to give them a ragged and bloody appearance, and to throw a few powertools, screwdrivers, pliers overboard. Then, spend/waste at least eight weekends doing something that nobody quite notices - you could spend the time removing the old deck but actually since you have already done the above - no need. You could go sailing instead.

Finally, do a quick swoosh swoosh over the the boat with a power sander JUST before meeting all your mates at a boat meet and proclaim yourself v pleased with the result of your "new" deck.



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[tcm]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

um, my earlier posts were a bit tongue in cheek. Well, very tongue in cheek.

I don't want things to be spoiled, but if it takes a generation to grow teak trees then i suppose it must be okay for each generation to use the lot, mustn't it? Actually, i think it takes longer than a generation but whatever.

More seriously, i am a bit peed off with the worry worry attitude that pervades your posts and indeed large swathes of the population - especialy amongst those involved in bringing up children such as teachers and social workers. Our kids are imbued with the idea that using wood or oil or other resources is "wrong" and that it would be much better to go for a nice walk instead sallying forth and moulding the physical world to their chosen image. Okay, they don't need to burn it down - but humans are in charge of the world, so eating/shooting other animals and using resources is what they need to do. Not sitting quietly and doing meditation.

Put it another way - even if we recycle things - someone somewhere has gotta buy the new things to start off with haven't they? So, I mean, what do you want to be? - dynamic or passive? a mover&shaker or one the people who gets moved and shaken? I think that we should encourage more of our youngsters to join the jet-set, rather than the jumble-rummagers.

And i think it is ok to have a teak deck, provided that you don't cock it up too much, throw away tons of teak and have to do a fair few bits agian, So, all in all it would be better to use teak which will last longer and put more money into the econonmy, and also best to get a man in to do it whuich would actually be more sharing and caring rather than selfishly do it yourself, possibly.

And once the deck is done, it wd be a good idea to sell the boat and do the same again. Otherwise the people in the teak supply chain will go out of business, and have to burn all the teak that they had chopped down in anticipation of lots of teak decks, or sell it cheap, whcih ruins our balance of payments deficit and would mean the burmese etc wd get no trade and no aid. Thus leading to them chopping down a whole load MORE teak probably the size of wales in order to make the same amount of money as they did when they chopped down just a bit, for twisterkens deck, the price of which is probably skyrocketing at this very moment on account of the fact that importing just a bit of teak for TK costs a heap more than teak decks all round.

So, the price of tk's deck, the plight of poor burmese people dependent on the collapsing teak trade, the move towards them farming opium instead of wood, a backward-looking UK youth, the general world economy going down the pan and the upsurge in gloabal antagonism instead of co-operation would be ENTIRELY the fault of people like you if we carry on with your policies which admittedly seem sound but on closer inspection will bring worldwide doom and gloom. I'm sure you wouldn't want that lot on your conscience, would you?

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[tome]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

In a nutshell, is this attitude sustainable?

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[dil]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

looking for best price's of teak decking for around june time and maybe some first hand experience on applying too a plywood deck thank's

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[tcm]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

erm, i'm not actually a teak supplier.

Mind you there are lotos of old nanky boats up the river hamble just lying about abandoned. You can definitely have the teak off that lot no problem at all. Erm, this is a joke as well.



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[alec]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

A fair point.

The truth is I have not been able to find ANY sources of sustainable teak.

I did hear on the radio relating to the growing of hardwoods in general, that they need the challenge of the whole forest to mature and grow properly. So sustainable hardwoods in the quality required look even more doubtful in the future.

Perhaps I have got it all wrong. The reality may be that tropical hardwoods are doomed whatever we try and do. Our children in forty years time may well hear them as funny sounding names on the Antiques Roadshow.

As has been mentioned before, very rarely is there a perfect solution for anything in life. Invariably it involves compromises. Have to agree with TCM though. Why go to all the bother just for a sailing (leisure) machine when there are so many alternatives ?

All is vanity – but we all need it.




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[Twister_Ken]

Info on teak supplies

A Google will find plenty of info (pro and anti) on plantation grown (sustainable) teak. One of the most useful sites, but not the easiest to navigate is <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.itto.or.jp> here </A>

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[alec]

Re: Teak supplier speaks

You’ve got balls TCM and I like you the more for it !

I can see where you are coming from though.

In my youth (fifties and sixties) we thought that nature could sustain anything. No matter what we did.

My generation was perhaps the first to realize that this was not so. My guess would be that most young people nowadays are certainly aware of this fact. This I think perhaps gives hope for the future.

Try telling this to emerging countries though. They have every right to have the things that we have taken for granted over the years. Can the world take sustained growth though ? Some say it will polish us all off eventually .

As the saying goes - ‘The future often arrives before we are ready for it ‘





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