Old Squadrons and the like

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thank you for your past contributions!

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Maybe you could also explain me why boats should be different from a car, a washing machine, or anything else: when something is not fit for purpose anymore, either it's worth repairing it or not. And if it's worth, either you can afford it or not.
Is my simple mind missing something?
 
The old MTB boats made good live-a-boards and a 50ft'er is bigger than some flats!

I guess at some point the older 40ft'er and less will get scrapped as they a a bit small to live on and the larger ones ... well it just seems such a shame.

There is an old not so super yacht here in Auckland that is looking very tired and the crew(?) are not looking after it at all.
 
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Free speech was never a big thing in Italy eh?

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That's not the way I understood the question in your OP, actually.
In my case I guess that - the best part of 35 tons being wood - it would nicely feed my fireplace for some years, if nothing else.
 
Not sure about fastidious , it either works or it dont. It's hard to tell if some things going to stop working, so mostly you dont know till it does. Do folks really ignore stuff that does not work. Ell looking at some of the crap, before I bought mine. Suppose they must do.
 
Vagabond the question is good one and relevant contrary to one others opinion.

I have an ageing 56ft boat which I had to do a hell of a lot of work too, as the previous owner seemed to shun the necessary jobs basically because he was too tight. Fortunatley the engines seem sound at the moment.

I have spent a lot of money on her, but she works for me, so that makes back some of the expense. Bearing in mind the standard Marina fee for her here (20m rental berth) works out at €350 per week even after one has paid a year in advance to take advantage of the discount.

I can imagine if I did not get back some income from her, that to keep a boat this size berthed and well maintained would become very difficult and costly.

On a boat this age mid nineties, there is always a long "todo" list.

Despite all that by the way I do love my her, look now I'm getting all soppy
 
The future of big plastic boats that dont rust away like cars is going to be interesting. I'm with Mapis on the basic ecoinomics. If a washing machine is €500 new, and €250 secondhand, a broken secondhand one that needs a repair <€200 might have a value (€20 or so) and if the repair is more costly than that it is just scrap

But beyond that I'm not sure there are any general rules.

There are many interconnected things with boat values. The value of a 20yr old squadron will depend quite a lot on the cost of berthing it. Berths in some parts of the world are running out. If governments allow more marina building the value of the 20yr old Sq should rise.

And you can't generalise: clive says €350/week to berth a 15m, but in Antibes it arguably costs negative €350/week, because if you'd bought a 15m berth 4 years ago and sold it now you'd be €100k ahead in cash. Now, that should have no impact on the boat's value, becuase you can buy a berht anyway, you don't have to put a boat on it. The true cost of parking a boat on a berth that you own is the rental income foregone. Yet it is human not to think that coldly, so people do see berthing as cheap and that fuels demand for boats.

Overall, I think it would take 30yrs or longer for the cost of repairing a busted-engine Sq or similar to exceed its repaired value, thus making it scrap. This hasn't happened in large numbers, but sometime we will need some big landfills to put all these chunks of GRP into
 
project's like this are a bag of nail's great if you have the time and money and know how. but can cost more in the long run than buying a boat x year's newer with no problems. A friend went down this route recently with a sail boat.... okay it's got new engines's rigging etc now and he's done a good job.... but the interior still worn and the boat show's it.
 
A friend just had to have one engine removed (Squaddie 59) they had to cut an engien sized hole in his flybridge to get it out............. painfull
 
Yikes!

Seems strange. The engines are normally taken out by lifting up into saloon and then thru the patio doors, with a cherry picker or similar.

If my boatyard told me they were going to cut a hole in the fly I'd would be examining minutely their engineering decisions, and likely disagreeng. Just cos it happened in a particular case doesn't mean it had to be done or was sensible/competent action by the boatyard!
 
Some boats, mine included, have removeable sections of the flybridge floor for the engines to be lifted, which is a bit different to "cutting holes" in them.

I'd still prefer jfm's method, and would take some convincing that the hole in the flybridge is a better idea.
 
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Seems strange. The engines are normally taken out by lifting up into saloon and then thru the patio doors, with a cherry picker or similar

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Normally a forklift with extended forks but maybe the Sq59 is too big to get even extended forks into the saloon or the overhanging flybridge doesn't allow the engine to be manouvered out of the cockpit? I bet the engines in a Sq59 are pretty tall lumps. Some boats have removable flybridge decks for just this reason. Not sure about the Sq59
 
I have a Squadron 56' and can see no reason why you would need to cut holes in the flybridge floor to get an engine out. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Having said that I have not had my engines removed but have seen Squadrons that have and def. no hole in flybridge floor.
If I had to remove an engine I would fit a 'searcher' hook to the Crane I have fitted on one of my trucks and with careful use of lifting tackle/strops & possibly purpose made lifting framework would take it out thro' the patio doors.
Not suggesting it would be easy but a bloody lot easier than cutting holes. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Hi all, firstly its already happening, hutchins marine broker had on last year with 2 blown up man690 in, it still wasnt cheap at nearly 200k asking price, i dont know what happened to it, it was on the tidal thames somewhere.

As for engine removal, i always get them out the patio door, i have access to a lorry with a huge HIAB that can lift from a long way off through the doors with the boat placed in the hoist, no problem.

Berthon also have a dockside hiab that can lift engines out, I watched with interest once when they lifted out a pair of sabres through the doors of a humber 40.
 
Yup, I reckon the shipyard that cut the hole in the Sq56/59 flybridge deck was a bit incompetent then. Just cos a shipyard says that's what you have to do, doesn't make it correct!
 
It's easy to criticise. I guess they must have considered taking the engines out thru the patio doors and decided that they couldn't. Nobody cuts a hole in the flybridge without serious thought. OK there probably is someone out there but you know what I mean
 
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