Oil in cylinders, any quick suggestions!!

pcatterall said:
Appreciate that kitchen roll may be better at 'wicking' than textile. My concern would be bits dropping off.
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it was merely a suggestion from 30 odd years of experience. Not of tinkering, but working as a mechanical engineer, teaching and lecturing in the military, and applying knowledge and experience to write several emers, running joint forces repair and research projects., and subsequent involvement in defence procurement, and then on to motorsport. I ask more questions than answers on here as our sailing experience is limited. I bow to the expertise of those who post answers to my questions, and even if I am not wholly impressed with some of the answers I do not say anything. Daft things usually get picked up by someone else anyway. Good luck with sorting out your engine.
If you were in my workshop with it I would have you do the following.
Empty the sump
Remove oil from bores.
Measure sump capacity
measure oil strainer depth
From that you could ascertain the level of oil actually required
add correct amount of oil
reference that on the dipstick and remark if required.
Fit engine
go sailing
 
solent clown said:
it was merely a suggestion from 30 odd years of experience. Not of tinkering, but working as a mechanical engineer, teaching and lecturing in the military, and applying knowledge and experience to write several emers, running joint forces repair and research projects., and subsequent involvement in defence procurement, and then on to motorsport. I ask more questions than answers on here as our sailing experience is limited. I bow to the expertise of those who post answers to my questions, and even if I am not wholly impressed with some of the answers I do not say anything. Daft things usually get picked up by someone else anyway. Good luck with sorting out your engine.
If you were in my workshop with it I would have you do the following.
Empty the sump
Remove oil from bores.
Measure sump capacity
measure oil strainer depth
From that you could ascertain the level of oil actually required
add correct amount of oil
reference that on the dipstick and remark if required.
Fit engine
go sailing
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:triumphant:

the oil indicated on the dip stick will change when the engine is installed, due to the engine being inclined
 
for future reference on problem solving
Memory is at the very least mutable, it is unreliable.
Observation is very reliable to ascertain current situation but not always to find out the cause.
Investigation will find the cause or fault.
Investigation can involve various interventions, including simply going back a few steps from what you think was last done, and starting again.
as a rule go back first, it serves better generally than stumbling ahead.
Re instate everything to a known value or set up.
Be empirical with the application of your knowledge and theory.
Write things down and take pics as you do.
 
sailorman said:
:triumphant:

the oil indicated on the dip stick will change when the engine is installed, due to the engine being inclined
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Possibly depending upon the dipstick location and the angle, I am sure the Op will already have the engine at the correct angle on the bench if he knows what he is doing and is unsure of the oil situation?
 
solent clown said:
for future reference on problem solving
Memory is at the very least mutable, it is unreliable.
Observation is very reliable to ascertain current situation but not always to find out the cause.
Investigation will find the cause or fault.
Investigation can involve various interventions, including simply going back a few steps from what you think was last done, and starting again.
as a rule go back first, it serves better generally than stumbling ahead.
Re instate everything to a known value or set up.
Be empirical with the application of your knowledge and theory.
Write things down and take pics as you do.
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I would also add to your "problem solving" list .... Only change one thing at a time.

(There's years of bitter experience in those few words :o)

Richard
 
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sailorman said:
:triumphant:

the oil indicated on the dip stick will change when the engine is installed, due to the engine being inclined
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You wouldn't possibly imagine that someone who has Solent Clowns experience would think of setting the engine at the correct angle, would you ?
 
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The 4-108 has Ricardo precombustion chambers, so doubt that you can put a tube or spills of kitchen paper down into the cylinders. Perhaps just empty the sump and roll it over to drain, or, just spin it over, as above, and duck the spray :o
 
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Thanks all.
I take Vics point about the oil rather than water effect on tissue and am suitably chastened by Solent Clowns response! My concern with the tissue was that a bit may have got caught and torn off and I still do think that is possible and will use another method. It is a long time (40years) since I stripped and rebuilt an engine and it was a matter of necessity ( our last working Landrover 200 miles south of Kufra oasis !) We had to do a lot of 'tinkering' ( thanks for the title Solent Clown) in those days covering over a hundred thousand cross country LandRover miles with a small team and no base back up. Being able to get advice from experts is a bonus even if we have to accept the odd lecture when we put our hands up with a question.

I have completely drained the engine and refilled with the recommended quantity, the engine was completely level and the oil level on the dipstick noted. I think that is as far as I need to go with that.
 
Good point about pre comb chambers , or take the exhaust manifold off and try from there, but simply tipping it sounds like a plan.
Just seen you have solved the issue, excellent. What do you think happened in the first place, just an inadvertent overfill?
As for landrovers, you got what you deserved using one, lol. As a former lecturer in battle damage repair among other things, some of the best stories we recounted as examplars were not military, but tales of oil guys in old series 1s making way across hostile terrain and fixing as they went.
 
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If I sounded like a dick lecturing you, I apologise by the way. I see the "archive" of these threads as the most valuable resource, so I always imagine someone else coming along to read a thread with a similar problem as the original poster. Sometimes I cant help myself if I think it might help down the line for others.
 
pcatterall said:
Thanks all.

I have completely drained the engine and refilled with the recommended quantity, the engine was completely level and the oil level on the dipstick noted. I think that is as far as I need to go with that.
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You might want to tilt to the angle that it will be in the boat and recheck the dipstick, for future reference.
 
Original problem was not overfill as I only used the amount as per the manual ( give or take 1/4 pint) towards the end of my filling I was adding just a 1/4 pint at a time and observing the dipstick each time.
I believe that in a senior moment I put one dose down the air intake! as the cover was off and the hole quite inviting (being close to the filler!).
It was sight of the shape of the pre-combustion chamber that made me wonder if trying to push tissue down there could tear some off.

My Landrover days were mainly between 1960 and 1980 working on geodetic mapping control for a variety of countries and organisations, if you couldn't maintain and fix your vehicle work would stop and ( in the worst cases) you may die! so 'tinkering ability' was as important as any professional skills!

Like you I think information and advice on this forum is invaluable and I recently started a thread suggesting that we could organise it better, some simple ideas that we could all do included clear descriptive titles on threads and identifying our skills/knowledge in our responses such as " the bloke on the next boat reckons" to " I have rebuilt 300 Perkins 4108 engines". I do take your point that sometimes a fuller explanation than may actually be required could help others.
 
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pcatterall said:
Original problem was not overfill as I only used the amount as per the manual ( give or take 1/4 pint) towards the end of my filling I was adding just a 1/4 pint at a time and observing the dipstick each time.
I believe that in a senior moment I put one dose down the air intake! as the cover was off and the hole quite inviting (being close to the filler!).
It was sight of the shape of the pre-combustion chamber that made me wonder if trying to push tissue down there could tear some off.

My Landrover days were mainly between 1960 and 1980 working on geodetic mapping control for a variety of countries and organisations, if you couldn't maintain and fix your vehicle work would stop and ( in the worst cases) you may die so 'tinkering ability' was as important as any professional skills!

Like you I think information and advice on this forum is invaluable and I recently started a thread suggesting that we could organise it better, some simple ideas that we could all do included clear descriptive titles on threads and identifying our skills/knowledge in our responses such as " the bloke on the next boat reckons" to " I have rebuilt 300 Perkins 4108 engines". I do take your point that sometimes a fuller explanation than may actually be required could help others.
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Or just phone me Peter!
 
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