Oh Dear! Rowers again...

[Mirror Painter]

Again, I bow to your greater experience. But I have to say I'm not seeing your boat being thrown all over the place. Just a passing boat with not much wash being shouted at by you and your mate. The other boat slows down and then then is even less wash.

3' waves.

Yeah, right.

Seriously dude, how high does a wash need to be to throw moored boats all over the place?

Less than 12 inches I would imagine, which is more than enough to sink a rower

 

[No Regrets]

I wasn't on my boat

I was on a boat belonging to Thames Cruiser.

We had the benefit of being able to see a far wider picture than the camera afforded...

 

[apollo]

Where's the wash?

Rather than "breakers" wash from these craft is very long wavelength and only thing ever to dislodge a kettle from my stove (and I have a ten ton boat.)

Also in thirty five years of boating never seen a photo or video which actually represented what wash is actually like in the flesh.

I think it is enough to see the speed over the ground was fast and there was NO skull being coached. Nuff said in my book.

 

[No Regrets]

I think Moxon is a closet rower though Mike

 

[Mirror Painter]

I think Moxon is a closet rower though Mike

It's not about being a rower, or even an anti-rower. I don't care about that. Sometimes, 'up here' I see some beautiful old rowing boats from, (I think), the Oxford colleages. The type with two or three people doing the work and an other person at the back steering with a cord to the rudder. Sometimes they wear straw hats. I say hello, they say hello. All is fine.

<I'm not a rower disclaimer over>

I was interested to know what all your fuss was about. That's all.

Thanks.

 

[Mirror Painter]

Thanks Apollo, makes sense.

 

[No Regrets]

The point is Moxy, I slow down for Rowers, and show them respect whilst helming.

They, in nearly every case, do not reciprocate.

This makes the whole situation rather one sided.

I have no pity for speeding motorboats from either camp.

When on a quiet wide stretch, a MPH or so isn't going to hurt anything, as long as one checks whats happening behind, which I frequently do regularly, but especially when passing Rowers in either direction, and always try to be friendly.

An afternoon of watching and feeling the results of the little blue boats really annoyed all the moored boats in the end.

It's not like it was the odd one, it was all of them, even the ones who we had politely talked to beforehand. In the end, some were slowing down a bit when approaching, then speeding up when they passed!

Talk about thick...

 

[rr_123]

This behaviour was far beyond the normal minor inconsiderations that i think you are inferring.

I am implying

You are inferring

HTH

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I was there, I saw the "incidents" under discussion, and no_regrets has even kindly uploaded a video to show that this really was, very literally, a storm in a teacup.

I don't condone speeding, I don't condone rudeness, and I don't condone damage to other people's boats. I am abnormally sensitive to wash, and I shout at boats that kick up too much. On Friday evening I stood up to shout and then sat down again to carry on with what I was doing whilst the boat rocked very, very gently.

 

[rr_123]

They, in nearly every case, do not reciprocate.

It's not like it was the odd one, it was all of them, even the ones who we had politely talked to beforehand. In the end, some were slowing down a bit when approaching, then speeding up when they passed!

Talk about thick...

So you're saying that in this case after a quiet word they slowed down, but you still feel the need to come on here and call them "thick"

How magnanimous!

 

[rr_123]

Rather than "breakers" wash from these craft is very long wavelength and only thing ever to dislodge a kettle from my stove (and I have a ten ton boat.)

Just for the sake of accuracy, it is the very short wavelength of the coach boat that is the problem. It makes for a very small but steep wave.

The umpire boats at Henley Regata create a very long wave, which is also quite destructive and takes you by surprise quite some time after they've passed.

 

[No Regrets]

So you're saying that in this case after a quiet word they slowed down, but you still feel the need to come on here and call them "thick"

How magnanimous!

Read exactly what I typed.

I only furnish you with the facts, not the intellectual apparatus with which to decipher them.

I actually said 'Some of them were slowing down a bit when approaching, then speeding up when they passed!

This quite clearly states they went past all the other vessels (previously stated) at high speed, although slowed down for a moment while passing the boat I was on taking video footage.

They were merely trying to avoid us shouting at them, not actually changing their behaviour.

There are at least ten witnesses to the facts. I'm the tip of an iceberg.

 

[rr_123]

I only furnish you with the facts, not the intellectual apparatus with which to decipher them.

I don't want this to turn into a battle of wits for I fear that you are unarmed.

I was one of the witnesses.

The boats were speeding whilst not coaching.

The wash was, in my opinion which is notoriously anti-wash, acceptable.

Hello-hurrah, there's a price to pay, to the Eton rifles,
Hello-hurrah, I'd prefer the plague, to the Eton rifles.

 

[No Regrets]

I admire your attempts at retribution, and I feel I have been 'savaged by a dead sheep' if that is of any consolation to you Sir

However, accepting the remainder of your post, and with respect, we were three feet away. the wash was bouncing us around, from 30' to 42' equally.

The owner of the 42' Broom was the most angry...

 

[apollo]

I don't want this to turn into a battle of wits for I fear that you are unarmed.

I was one of the witnesses.

The boats were speeding whilst not coaching.

The wash was, in my opinion which is notoriously anti-wash, acceptable.

If anyone complains then it is obviously not acceptable.

In this case several people have complained.

Speed limit is published and well known.

We need to demand more patrols in Windsor.

 

[No Regrets]

Are you a closet rower RR?

 

[rr_123]

The owner of the 42' Broom was the most angry...

Hmm, I wonder whether it's the same 42' Broom which regularly comes out of Penton Hook and helps the decline of my garden into the river... the 42' Broom does appear to be one of the worst creators of wash!

 

[rr_123]

If anyone complains then it is obviously not acceptable.

In this case several people have complained.

Speed limit is published and well known.

We need to demand more patrols in Windsor.

Yes.

They're very naughty boys.

 

[rr_123]

Are you a closet rower RR?

Not a closet anything, have never rowed anything other than a tub. Lived in Henley for ten years, you should have heard what I said to some of the visiting rowers (c:

I have, this evening, motored up and down the Staines reach with maybe a dozen rowing boats out; no collisions, no raised voices, no spilt drinks...

I genuinely believe that there is a bit of "them and us" to this all -exactly as on the sail/motor forums (see here and here), and I am trying to bring a bit of live and let live to it. Read Dylan Winters tongue in cheek but quite apposite posts...

 

[No Regrets]

Hmm, I wonder whether it's the same 42' Broom which regularly comes out of Penton Hook and helps the decline of my garden into the river... the 42' Broom does appear to be one of the worst creators of wash!

This one was moored up.

Your call....

 

[rr_123]

This one was moored up.

Your call....

Read exactly what I typed.

I only furnish you with the facts, not the intellectual apparatus with which to decipher them.

I actually said '

I wonder whether it's the same 42' Broom which regularly comes out of Penton Hook'

I wasn't suggesting that a moored boat was creating a wash?