Oh dear - lost bill of sale

Tradewinds said:
Could it be this one?

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1977/Rival-38A-2656816/United-Kingdom

Nice.
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Yes, that's the one

And in case anybody asks, I really wasn't trying to push the ad, I was (now less) concerned about the loss of bill of sale.

And for the benefit of anybody else that is trying to sell a boat of, ahem, tender years don't get sucked into a VAT discussion. If your boat is pre-1985, was a pleasure yacht (which is was) and was in the in EU at the time she is deemed VAT paid (another hare that was set running by another broker ....)
 
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ChrisE said:
If your boat is pre-1985, was a pleasure yacht (which is was) and was in the in EU at the time she is deemed VAT paid (another hare that was set running by another broker ....)
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I think it is the bit I have underlined that could be hard to prove if officialdom strikes. That is where to have old yard bills etc., might be essential to show that your boat was in the EU at that time. All pretty unlikely though on a pre 1985 boat I would have thought.
 
prv said:
Not if it's still Part One registered. Just ask the registry who owns it now.

Pete
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Not sure the register entry will tell you categorically that the owner hadn't sold it to someone else yesterday ....

He signed a bill of sale and it is "in the post", but not made it onto the register yet. Obviously fraudulent, but I don't see how Part One can guard against that when he has done a runner with your money....
 
ChrisE said:
Our boat is up for sale and we went looking for the bill of sale to prove ownership only to find that said doc has been mislaid/accidently thrown out (we've had the builders in.....).

Now, the brokerage that sold us the boat 19 years ago is long gone, so no chance of a duplicate from them. We have part1 registry going back to when we bought her (I know that this is not proof of ownership). The guy we bought the boat from is still around though and we have a survey from when we bought her and a subsequent survey that was done after remedial work, plus boatyard bills going back to 2000 (it's the 1994-1999 paperwork that's gone astray)

My thoughts are that we'll have to go to a notary and swear on a bible or something like.

Any thoughts?
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OOH! You could commission an oath. Imagine the stuff you could include. I always fancied doing that. Do they still exist 'commissioners for oaths' - I know now, good old Google.

Does your buyer really need it, is the boat of such significant value or do you look the sort to be selling someone else's boat?
Otherwise a little light forgery might not be out of the way. If it satisfies your buyer.
Don't use a laser printer, where will you find a type-writer these days?
Few oil stains and tea drips, hang in the bilges for a couple of weeks to get that authentic boat aroma.

Feel faintly relieved that I managed to find our receipts and stuff before posting.

Good luck
 
Gwylan said:
OOH! You could commission an oath. Imagine the stuff you could include. I always fancied doing that. Do they still exist 'commissioners for oaths' - I know now, good old Google.

Does your buyer really need it, is the boat of such significant value or do you look the sort to be selling someone else's boat?
Otherwise a little light forgery might not be out of the way. If it satisfies your buyer.
Don't use a laser printer, where will you find a type-writer these days?
Few oil stains and tea drips, hang in the bilges for a couple of weeks to get that authentic boat aroma.

Feel faintly relieved that I managed to find our receipts and stuff before posting.

Good luck
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My boat is VAT exempt the previous ( only other) owner had to swear an oath stating that she was in Holland on what ever date it was at the time to qualify. The Affidavit is securely stored away
 
sailorman said:
My boat is VAT exempt the previous ( only other) owner had to swear an oath stating that she was in Holland on what ever date it was at the time to qualify. The Affidavit is securely stored away
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your boat isn't VAT exempt. it is deemed 'VAT paid' under the Age Related Relief Scheme put into place under the Single Market Transitional Arrangement. This being that a yacht 'in use' as a pleasure craft on 1st January 1985 is deemed VAT paid provided it was 'moored in the EU on 31st December 1992' (or 1987 and 1994 if we are talking about Austria, Finland and Sweden).

VAT exemption is something different altogether.
 
ChrisE said:
Blimey, Alex you must have a busy day ...
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i was having a quick break from bashing my head against a brick wall... thought i might have a quick peek about... i usually don't post on this forum, but i made a special exception you dear boy... in all seriousness... if you need any help, just give me a bell.
 
alexg said:
i was having a quick break from bashing my head against a brick wall... thought i might have a quick peek about... i usually don't post on this forum, but i made a special exception you dear boy... in all seriousness... if you need any help, just give me a bell.
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Ta, I think I know what I've got to do but if I get stuck I'll give you a ring.
 
alexg said:
your boat isn't VAT exempt. it is deemed 'VAT paid' under the Age Related Relief Scheme put into place under the Single Market Transitional Arrangement. This being that a yacht 'in use' as a pleasure craft on 1st January 1985 is deemed VAT paid provided it was 'moored in the EU on 31st December 1992' (or 1987 and 1994 if we are talking about Austria, Finland and Sweden).

VAT exemption is something different altogether.
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She was built VAT free & Exported to Holland in 79
 
>We have part1 registry going back to when we bought her (I know that this is not proof of ownership)

It's not a bill of sale but it is proof of ownership, it shows on the back who owns the boat through the number of shares held, they can also tell a buyer if there is a mortgage on the boat, hopefully that will be enough. Don't hold me to this but I think from memory the number of shares is 64.
 
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