Bouba
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I’d like to know more...where the yachts playing silly bu99ers and blocking the motorboat from passing..leaving only a quick dash up the middle to get away from them
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KevinV
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Are you sure we're talking about the same forum??Except the group of people on this forum, of course!
Elessar
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Any boater with a modicum of decency would have sat behind them or overtaken at a reasonable pace if they were going slowly. This is turning into an anchor thread and I’m out.
To the OP I wouldn’t behave like that and I still say it’s not OK. I’d like to think I’m in the majority but with some of the replies on here I’m not so sure which is a great shame.
Seastoke
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I am with you but , the two boats need to answer questions.
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Bouba
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I’ve had superyachts do it to me...I have had commercial boats do it to me...and erratic behavior by yachts is just one of the hazards on the high seas....in the end of the day no damage was done and riding wakes is part of the sport
Seastoke
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You should be asking why do your crew , A not wearing life jackets and why are they not in the cockpit.
superheat6k
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The River speed limit applies from the cardinal buoy, not the first channel marker. But wherever, that form of helming is atrocious.
superheat6k
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Not sure either of your questions is at all relevant. Fine calm day, <200m from the shore, and likely 50m from shallow enough water to stand up in. And crew can sit anywhere on boat that is comfortable in calm flat conditions - why not.
Sticky Fingers
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I’m sure you’re in the majority. This wankerish behaviour does happen, I’ve seen it from both sides of the equation and I hate it. So totally unnecessary.
SC35
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That wake looks tiny compared to the waves that are typically in the Solent.
Was any Tea spilled?
As to distances, how much space is needed?
It's not unusual to end up quite close to other boats entering a harbour, although maybe he could have dropped the speed down a bit.
I could equally post up videos of Sailing Yachts in Chichester Harbour that totally ignore the general direction to keep to Starboard in the main channel.
Instead, under power, they navigate incredibly close to the green markers because it's the shortest path, forcing everyone else to either pass very close or risk hitting the shingle.
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Bigplumbs
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Why assume it is a man could have been a woman !
Bigplumbs
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Very true
Greg2
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Whilst I still hold my initial view that this was not good you do raise fair points - we can only see what was captured by the camera in the moment and the wider context is completely unknown to us aside from the fact that it happens in the Hamble entrance channel does mean that there was limited space.
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Portofino
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Whilst not arguing with the de facto image , and it’s apparent no no ….I totally agree with holding out constructing a gallows before the guys docked …Eurgene ( and Bouba s ) line of thinking .I will hold back definitive judgement until i know the full facts or at least a great deal more .
Its interesting reading the thought process of guys on here .I ve learnt a lot about folk .Well added to basically .
Its interesting reading the thought process of guys on here .I ve learnt a lot about folk .Well added to basically .
colhel
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The OP seems experienced enough ( to me) to know what's right and wrong. I'm happy to take his word for it.
flaming
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Thank you for the majority who also found this to be unacceptable. To answer some of the questions that have been asked.
This is at the point where the channel starts. The small boat was doing maybe 5ish knots, we were doing about 6.5. So slowly overtaking. Both through the water, about 2 knots of tide running out so significantly slower over the ground. I'm sure I'm bad at estimating speeds but I can't imagine that the mobo came through us at less than 15 STW, however he was already decelerating and was considerably slower by the time I'd thought to get my phone out to snap a pic. Probably down to 10 or so knots by this point and still decelerating. He was off the plane by around the point of the green marker.
There was no outbound traffic, and a large amount of space to our port side that he could have used if he wanted to pass us and still be on the starboard side of the channel before the green marker. There were also no other inbound boats close enough to be considered as part of the same incident.
For the record I have no issue with the speed that he was doing in that bit of water, or the fact that he overtook us, or that there was a wake. My only issue here is the decision to go between the 2 boats, with maybe one of his boat widths either side with a large relative speed. For that course to pass off without incident relied on both the boats he was overtaking to hold straight courses. If either boat had been unaware of him and decided to close the gauge between us - which could have been a logical thing for us to do as we approached the start of the channel proper and wanted to keep as far over to starboard as possible - then that would have left the mobo with nowhere to go. Obviously we have a duty as the overtaken boats to maintain course and speed, and in this case we'd seen him coming and edged away from the small boat slightly, but I think it's generally not a good idea to put yourself into a situation where one unanticipated action by one other boat who maybe hasn't looked behind them cannot be reacted to to prevent an incident.
The point about the wake I was making is if the part of the wake that is still breaking hits another boat then it's a really good clue that you're way too close. It also hits the other boat with quite a thump. I know that the crew of the smaller boat in this incident did get splashed. Hardly the end of the world but....
This is at the point where the channel starts. The small boat was doing maybe 5ish knots, we were doing about 6.5. So slowly overtaking. Both through the water, about 2 knots of tide running out so significantly slower over the ground. I'm sure I'm bad at estimating speeds but I can't imagine that the mobo came through us at less than 15 STW, however he was already decelerating and was considerably slower by the time I'd thought to get my phone out to snap a pic. Probably down to 10 or so knots by this point and still decelerating. He was off the plane by around the point of the green marker.
There was no outbound traffic, and a large amount of space to our port side that he could have used if he wanted to pass us and still be on the starboard side of the channel before the green marker. There were also no other inbound boats close enough to be considered as part of the same incident.
For the record I have no issue with the speed that he was doing in that bit of water, or the fact that he overtook us, or that there was a wake. My only issue here is the decision to go between the 2 boats, with maybe one of his boat widths either side with a large relative speed. For that course to pass off without incident relied on both the boats he was overtaking to hold straight courses. If either boat had been unaware of him and decided to close the gauge between us - which could have been a logical thing for us to do as we approached the start of the channel proper and wanted to keep as far over to starboard as possible - then that would have left the mobo with nowhere to go. Obviously we have a duty as the overtaken boats to maintain course and speed, and in this case we'd seen him coming and edged away from the small boat slightly, but I think it's generally not a good idea to put yourself into a situation where one unanticipated action by one other boat who maybe hasn't looked behind them cannot be reacted to to prevent an incident.
The point about the wake I was making is if the part of the wake that is still breaking hits another boat then it's a really good clue that you're way too close. It also hits the other boat with quite a thump. I know that the crew of the smaller boat in this incident did get splashed. Hardly the end of the world but....
Martxer
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The 2 sail boats in the picture seem close enough together as it is without a 3rd boat threading inbetween.
doug748
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It's looks like the sort of "I know my rights" situation that we don't really want to see on the water. To be fair, I have seen the same attitude from sailing boats and it always niggles. It's the he same sort of boorish behaviour we often get on the roads.
It might be just plain ignorance, despite the apparent value of the boat, sometimes newcomers have no clue.
A chap asked for help the other day. He launched despite knowing his engine may not start and his boat was being bashed alongside the ramp. Did not know what a spark plug was, could not use his back up outboard because: "to start it I think you have to pull this handle"
Someone suggested the plugs could be wet, he looked and said: "no they look ok", someone then explained you really had to remove them to check and dry them.
That did the trick and the motor started but the boat still did not move until the gear lever was explained.
That's an absolutely true story . A nice bloke and very quick to do stuff when it was explained but not a clue.
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It might be just plain ignorance, despite the apparent value of the boat, sometimes newcomers have no clue.
A chap asked for help the other day. He launched despite knowing his engine may not start and his boat was being bashed alongside the ramp. Did not know what a spark plug was, could not use his back up outboard because: "to start it I think you have to pull this handle"
Someone suggested the plugs could be wet, he looked and said: "no they look ok", someone then explained you really had to remove them to check and dry them.
That did the trick and the motor started but the boat still did not move until the gear lever was explained.
That's an absolutely true story . A nice bloke and very quick to do stuff when it was explained but not a clue.
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Sandy
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As a raggy with a RYA Powerboat II (30 knots was well outside my comfort zone) I have come to the conclusion that few motor boat drivers have a clue about the mayhem left in their wake as a) there full focus of attention is directed in front of them and b) they have little appreciation of the affect their wake has. Given the evidence of the photo I disagree with @EugeneR 's assessment of the wake.
As an overtaking vessel it is up to the motorboat to keep out of the way of any vessel. Looking at COLREGS:
Rule 13 (Overtaking)
(a) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I and II, any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken.
The skippers interpretation of 'keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken' or in this case both vessels being overtaken is very, very different to mine.
But, the technicalities of COLREGS aside, it would have been good manners to either pass to starboard, there looks to be enough water there and/or slow down and with agreement of the vessels he was passing to drive between them at just over their speed. A chart and the respective drafts of all vessels would be helpful.
It would have been interesting to have that on video and hear the reactions of the two crews. I would have given five blasts and quietly mutter one or two choice gaelic words, tolla-thon comes to mind, but I am sure that @flaming has a number of anglo saxon words at his disposal.
