Barbican
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Is it Trading? no prices or order forms, if you call up and ask you would be told the situation, at least two people were whilst I was there. If it is then they should close it down as you say.
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Is it Trading? no prices or order forms, if you call up and ask you would be told the situation, at least two people were whilst I was there. If it is then they should close it down as you say.
E39mad
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Great articles and shows exactly how these boats can be used. Maybe people don't realize how versatile these boats can be because they are always in more crowded deeper water. I don't understand the query about berthing in a full tide marina...it's down to the owner and it's when you are cruising/exploring that the keel really becomes advantageous.
Twister_Ken
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Offering brokerage boats for sale. Still, maybe that's a different company within the group although the website doesn't seem to say that.
Barbican
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Hmm - needs clearing up I guess. Should be down at the yard Monday since the boats on thir pontoon so Ill mention it.
Seajet
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After a Snapdragon 747 any sailing boat would seem amazing !
Birdseye
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I wouldnt pay a substanbtial premium. If I wanted a cheepo boat thewn the likes of Benny do a lift keel. If I wanted one of Scandinavian quality then there is Southerly at much the same price level. Dont knock them - if you go round the yard, see how they are made, see how solid the hull is and the beautiful quality of the woodwork, they are definitely up there with the swedes rather than down there with benny / bav. Not that there is anything wrong with Benny / |Bav but you do get what you pay for.
In the event I bought a Bowman built Starlight which I guess is mid way between in quality of finish terms and also in price. But sails far better. Lower windage etc. I should add that at the time I was considering a 35RS southerly I also looked very carefully at the Ovni. I was impressed by the detailed "sailing " build of the Ovni ( the rope leads, winch positions etc - clearly designed by someone who sailed) and the internal if French appealed to swmbo. Maybe not as much as the Southerly but certainly better than Benny say. But the sailing performance was dire particularly pointing ability. And this was a brand new boat well set up with high teck sails. And the hull being ally would be long term a PITA paint wise - mlifetime in the metals trade so I know there of what I speak. In short the Ovni whilst attractive fell shoprt of the Southerly . I ought to add that the AVS of the Ovni was pretty low and was marginal for the A category. The southerly was just the opposite.
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Cardo
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If this news is true, then it is some sad news. I had hoped the new phoenix company would do better, but it would seem not. Though I wonder what they're planning on doing? I only recently received an email from "Northshore Yards" offering winter storage at very reasonable rates.
On the flip side, the repair was quick and easy. The crack was no longer than what could be seen, which was only about 10cm long. The chap who repaired it was impressed with the build and said we were lucky the boat was built strongly. They had initially warned me the crack could have been a good metre or so long from experience, but this fortunately turned out not to be the case.
As for using the lifting keel. It's fantastic. Before we left, we had a semi-tidal berth in the Hamble. Then we went through the French canals, and here in Greece we lift the keel to anchor in shallower areas, or to go to shallower spots in harbours where others can't get into. It's top notch.
Apparently, the cracks are caused by the keel hitting things, which cause the stresses. It's certainly possible, seeing as we have clonked the odd uncharted boulder around Greek harbour entrances, and we hit a few bits and bobs going along the canals.
On the flip side, the repair was quick and easy. The crack was no longer than what could be seen, which was only about 10cm long. The chap who repaired it was impressed with the build and said we were lucky the boat was built strongly. They had initially warned me the crack could have been a good metre or so long from experience, but this fortunately turned out not to be the case.
The chap who initially suggested the particular stress crack had one appear on his 110. They are somewhat newer. Northshore could have apparently countered the possibility of this by strengthening the area further, but I guess it's not happened to that many people, so how far do you take it? Northshore/Southerly's stance is that the cracks are caused by the keel striking items, so it's accidental damage, which can be claimed on insurance.
As for using the lifting keel. It's fantastic. Before we left, we had a semi-tidal berth in the Hamble. Then we went through the French canals, and here in Greece we lift the keel to anchor in shallower areas, or to go to shallower spots in harbours where others can't get into. It's top notch.
Tidewaiter2
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This 'known Southerly fault' type of crack happened to us last year, going up the Kiel canal- three yachts in a row bumped the shallows bottom when 'Minerva' cruise liner, a bigger box carrier and two German Navy patrol boats went through right behind each other and took all the water with them. All worried in Rendesburg RVR that night, but we seemed to have escaped their weeping keel bolts, at least.
Later, in the Belt, we found the pump gradually going a lot more often and eventually found the tiny stbd leak - the stress crack must have worked slowly open as we sailed. we Ding puttied it inside, then at Ystrad, S. Sweden,an amateur diver Dinged most of the 3-6cm underwater crack back to the plate, as well for us. With a bit of TLC, that got us back home, for a proper job-+ a very small stress crack starting on the port bow side too.
All boats are compromises and have faults-a less solidly built boat than ours might have sunk from the impact.
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Seajet
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Or a better built & designed lift keeler wouldn't have the problem to start with !
The Anderson 22 lift keeler has a tufnol strip at the aft end of the keelcase as a shock absorber in case of running into something nasty at speed; shame Southerly didn't think of that...
The Anderson 22 lift keeler has a tufnol strip at the aft end of the keelcase as a shock absorber in case of running into something nasty at speed; shame Southerly didn't think of that...
Tidewaiter2
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Or a better built & designed lift keeler wouldn't have the problem to start with !
The Anderson 22 lift keeler has a tufnol strip at the aft end of the keelcase as a shock absorber in case of running into something nasty at speed; shame Southerly didn't think of that...
Ah, SJ, right on track, as ever, Well done:biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new:
mrming
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Strange that the 110 swing keel wouldn't just pop up and absorb the impact like the Beneteau design does - or am I missing something?
Seajet
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Tidewaiter2, Predictable but true...
Cardo
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So, any further news?
Rivers & creeks
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Or a better built & designed lift keeler wouldn't have the problem to start with !
The Anderson 22 lift keeler has a tufnol strip at the aft end of the keelcase as a shock absorber in case of running into something nasty at speed; shame Southerly didn't think of that...
These threads are worth it for Seajet's contributions alone. How someone can be so relentlessly evangelical about a type of small boat is a hoot to follow. Please don't stop it.
E39mad
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The funniest (also read saddest) part of this post is that the author believes his own hype.
So oh great one tell us how the Southerly keel design can be bettered without affecting cost or design layout significantly. Most of the caused issues mentioned, as have been stated, would have sunk most fixed keeled yachts of a similar size.
So oh great one tell us how the Southerly keel design can be bettered without affecting cost or design layout significantly. Most of the caused issues mentioned, as have been stated, would have sunk most fixed keeled yachts of a similar size.
Or a better built & designed lift keeler wouldn't have the problem to start with !
The Anderson 22 lift keeler has a tufnol strip at the aft end of the keelcase as a shock absorber in case of running into something nasty at speed; shame Southerly didn't think of that...
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mrming
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Whatever about the Anderson 22 which is a completely different keel design and in no way relevant to the discussion.
Can any Southerly owner tell us what happens to the keel when you hit something? Does it have a failsafe so that it can pop up and absorb the impact?
Can any Southerly owner tell us what happens to the keel when you hit something? Does it have a failsafe so that it can pop up and absorb the impact?
skua
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It retracts but I'm obviously selling my 110 at first light and purchasing an Anderson 22 ...
Frersfanatic
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The keel will retract as there is nothing holding it down except for gravity. The dyneema pennant holds it up and when required it can be locked UP. However, it cannot be locked down, which would cause a bit of concern if you had a knockdown and the keel retracted into the hull and inhibiting the righting moment. Southerly said the high AVS even with keel up means that's not an issue - again..wouldn't want to test it!
mrming
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For me a major safety feature of swing keels is that if you hit something, they pop up. I don't really understand how striking an object with the Southerly keel could crack the grounding plate. Are we talking hitting something shallow at speed so that the keel suddenly retracts fully?
Tidewaiter2
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actually, you can put the pin in when fully down on our 115 to lock it down for transoceanic. Not many people know that
Incidentally, the forward of the grounding plate stress cracks only happen on the corners after the stress creating incidents and Mick 'the GRP'Miller reckoned an ordinary AWB would probably have sunk in the canal after the impact-the other two yachts had weeping keel bolts and were looking for a lift out, but we seemed tight at the time.