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Re: A Straight Answer,,,,,,,

Your response is par for the course. Manipulate all the facts to suit yourself. It’s always someone else causing the problem but not me. I can use it, but others should stop.. If you add up all the hardwoods used in the UK by wooden boatbuilders it is a considerable amount and whether it is a little or a lot it is still immoral. What is the point of teaching people how to work it if it has no future ?


The situation is very similar to the fishing catastrophe where we have a wonderful renewable resource if it could only be managed properly but it’s ok for me to fish but not others. You even state that it is more the pity that other boats are not made in it – this is truly unbelievable and I think says everything about the scale of the problem.

I am not kidding about inhuman regimes. Most hardwoods in Asia are produced by military regimes using effectively slave labour. It is common for young girls aged as young as 12 years old to be raped on a regular basis. The only way to stop this is by refusing to use it, thereby stopping revenues and forcing change. I would strongly urge you to do searches on this subject including humane societies who are well aware of the situation.


At least you have responded, which most don’t, and I respect you for that.


If IPC are listening I would welcome a response from the Editor of Classic Boat on this subject . A few years ago Robert Simper touched on this subject and, if I am correct, depressingly found that the timber industry for wooden boatbuilding was void of any controls or tagging. I would also welcome views from the firms advertising hardwoods for sale in the yachting press to respond. At least this would produce a more balanced view. The use of hardwoods in boatbuilding is much bigger than most people think, as most major repairs of wooden boats, I think I have read, amount to about 65% rebuilds.

I have often asked at boatshows where wooden craft are for sale, the following question : if I ordered one can you guarantee that the hardwoods come from a renewable source ? The answer is always the same, no, but our industry does not use much. When I pose the same question to furniture makers it’s the same response.

If I appear rude to you I apologise. I only feel sorry for you.







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Bad news....

Might I ask if the leather in your shoes was taken from a renewable resource..
Did the poor cow that was slaughtered to keep you shod get any sort of recompense. Just as valid a point as the one you raise vis-a-vis hardwood.

There is no point in you getting on your high horse about this sort of stuff cause I'm sure if we visited your house/boat/workplace we could all point to a dozen or more items that have caused misery or the destruction of a resource that is not renewable.

In a perfect world every time somebody cut down a tree to make anything they'd plant a couple more to ensure everything was dinky doo..
The bad news is, I hope you are sitting down for this, it isn't a perfect world and you me nor anyone here can do a damn thing to change that. Live and Let Die I always say,, Bonnet da douch!!!

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No ! Good News..

Don’t get so down Craig old son !

Believe it or not, gradually the world is becoming a better place to live as each decade progresses. Just look at Iraq. Despite the sacrifices ( does freedom ever come cheap?) there is now at least hope for the future with less chance of being maimed, tortured or murdered.

Personally, I find living in this world an extraordinary experience and it becomes even more fantastic as the scientists and wizards make further discoveries.

I would have thought that cows are renewable resources as they live and die like trees and we do. As long as they are free to live a decent life while they are here, I personally don’t have a problem. They seem happy enough munching away If left in peace, and show no interest in further education or boat ownership. In our own deaths, thanks to science, we can leave our own organs to help others. So even we, in our death help others.

I believe that we are only waking up to the damage that we do. When I was young, I thought nature could take whatever was thrown at it but , as we now know, this is not the case. There are very encouraging signs though. Take softwoods. It’s being used everywhere now and is sustainable and controlled by legitimate bodies.

No life's great . There's more good than bad and we can make a difference in many ways. As George Bernard Shaw said, ' A lifetime of total happiness ?, No man could bear it: it would be hell on earth'

There you go.



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Please don't put a contract out on me Paul !

I own a thirty year old frozen snot type boat ( as the wooden 'fundamentalist' type owners refer to it as) along traditional lines. Does it have teak on it ? Yes quite alot ( this issue is not only confined to wooden hulled boats by the way) . The rubbing strake has had it and I would genuinely like to know what renewable softwood I could use.

Why do I not fill the details in ? With my type of posting you must be joking !

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To Ean and Rich,

My your armpits be infested with the flys from a thousand camels !

May your hulls be food for a thousand worms !

It has been predicted though that after the oil has gone bamboo is probably the next best material to use. I have already started growing mine.

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Re: A Straight Answer,,,,,,,

>Manipulate all the facts to suit yourself<

Thank you, I intend to,,,,,,,, I am happy to confirm that rape at any age is A Bad Thing and I shall abstain from it,,,,, though what part it plays in timber production I fail to comprehend.
Have you found that the Giants you tilt at look a lot like windmills when you get close up? No? You will,,,,,,,,, eventually.

IanW.

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Re: A Straight Answer,,,,,,,

Why don't all these tree hugging liberals practice what they preach and go and live in an environmentally balanced eco sufficient homogenised whole grain natural fibre hand made egalitarian holistic yurt on the Mongolian steppes and leave those of us who just want to sail a boat with a nice bit of teak on it alone.How we got here from cheap mastic is beyond me.

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