No Water At Yarmouth IOW

I read it as "or capable of being used" not AND.

Apart from wording, if there is a marina that does not protect the public water from back siphoning at the start of the docks they should be shot.

If the protection is before the dock only those on the dock could siphon from each other. Since most boats are filled at deck level with an open hole the chance of siphoning within a marina from the sea water level upwards is remote! It would be different if the boats were permanently plumbed in.

Going after marinas in the UK has to show a certain lack of understanding of siphoning anyway!

I also love this idea that people go to great lengths to word the laws, then the interested parties try to rewrite it with "guidance notes" to push their issue. If a guidance notes are released it normally means the law is ambiguous (See tax) or needs to be "re-emphasised" for some commercial gain. It depends who issues the guidance.
 
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I read it as "or capable of being used" not AND.

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Agree with "or", but the sense depends on whether you apply "lawfully" to the "capable of being used" or not. Advise we had was as above, despite trying to wriggle out of it /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Agree with all sentiments expressed. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Andy
 
just struck our marina
all Os`s gone
Whyu O Why cant we stand up to all these PRATTS who think-up & enforce these stupid RULES

We are all Grown-up after all who needs all these NANNY RULES

we woz quoted the "Water ( water fittings ) Regulation 1999"
no where in this does it mention "marinas or hoses "
 
On balance I think using a harbour hose, after running water through it for a while would be safer than using my own.

Harbour hoses get a lot of use. My own hose would get used much less often and therefore be more likely to be contaminated. IMHO of course.

Why dont they just fit a simple non-return valve at the tap? Why dont we just ask for them to put them back? if enough people complain they cant ignore it regardless of what the H&S people say.
 
Happened at Pwllheli last year, the jobsworths at Welsh Water drove it, threatened to issue notices on them if they didnt comply.
 
If the wording was meant as:

"was lawfully installed or lawfully used, or lawfully capable of being used, before ..."

Then this would introduce the concept of spontaneous creation of water fixtures. To be "lawfully used" it would have to be "lawfully installed" unless it sprang out of thin air.

If it was UNlawfully used then as tenants of the marina we could take action against them for running an unlawful establishment and endangering our health for all the years up to 1999. I wonder if the marina manager would admit to running an unlawful operation. Give them the choice and see what they say!

So either they admit to failing to abide by the previous law or this law does not apply. Either way you we win. Or they change their excuse. If you get an answer I would love to know what it was.
 
My experience was in an industrial context (same laws & considerations). In that case, the installation didn't comply with the law prior to the introduction of the 1999 act (but nobody seemed to mind...???)

I think it had something to do with the previous standards being set by local water authorities as local bye-laws. I guess as a result of Water Boards being sold off (privatised - eugh!) this law was required
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Andy
 
I just cant understand what you are all complaining about, just use your own hose!! You do carry a hose dont you, for firefighting at least? There's very little chance of you finding a marina hose down in the meddy, everybody and there dog has there own hose(s). You lot would complain about anything! Jeeze, pathetic.
 
I was only complaining about their excuse for removing them.

I understand that there are many other reasons for not having hoses.

1. Water loss from hoses left running by ignorant yachties
2. Areas where theft is bad and the marina can not afford to keep replacing them.
3. The use of hoses in oily environment etc. that leave them needing cleaning or shortening due to inconsiderate users.

All valid reasons. However, I prefer marinas with security and higher standards were hoses are respected.

Currently I prefer a marina with a tap per berth so that you can use short lengths of clear food quality hose instead of long festering flat hoses stored in warm boats with air and water mixtures left inside.

It your choice what standards and equipment you get in return for your marina fees, but where we are I get a good deal. If you think it is normal to pay huge amounts for nothing in return then carry on taking what they give you and live happily. But do not insult people that are trying to get a good return for their fees by discussing the ins and out of the excuses the marina is giving.
 
Please do not get on your high horse with me, your tone is insulting. I am not insulting you! I could if you wish! I simply stated that I could not see what the fuss is about, I have never owned a boat I did not have my own hose on, for various reasons, safety being one of them. Does it matter what excuses the marina uses? I just think the whole thing is petty, so removing hoses for any reason is cheating you? Does it state on your mooring contract "hoses will be supplied"? I doubt it.
 
You replied directly to me and called me pathetic.

I repeat: "But do not insult people that are trying to get a good return for their fees by discussing the ins and out of the excuses the marina is giving."

As for contracts I have never had one that defines the minimum level of service. I have also been in Marinas on the south coast where even the pontoons were optional one summer after they sank due to bad maintenance. We give them £5000 a year and should expect some return for it.

I rent a nice stone house in Yorkshire for less and it includes all the water costs! So expecting a good quality hose pipe is trivial in comparison.
 
You are pathetic, if that is insulting you, then OK I'm insulting you. Doesn't your boat have a hosepipe?
 
No it has 3, it also has a generator and a watermaker. With your argument, why should they need to supply anything to my boat? We have everything we need.

Because of convenience and service. Our old marina supplied hoses, power leads and good security. The new one has all the services within an arms reach of each boat and double security gates.
 
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