Next boat Azimut 39 or Cranchi 40 Atlantique

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Hi everyone. My first post here :)

I´m about to sell the boat I have now and as always I´m a bit ahead and thinking of the next one.
Would like to hear other peoples opinions about Azimut 39 and Cranchi 40 Atlantique. Year around 1998-2000. Looking at these as the are cheaper than Princess and Fairline

What can you tell about comparing these boats when it comes to quality?
Know some about Cranchi but when it comes to Azimut I just know that their newer boats are really good

Azimut normally comes with CAT engines. Cranchi with Volvos. Know them both and can do/have done most work on them

My plus and minus for each boat is so far. Let me hear your + - and thoughts

Azimut +
Beam 4.02m
More modern and stylish look

Azimut -
Two entrances from swimplatform steals seat area
Less seats on bridge

Cranchi +
Biiiig swimplatform
One entrance from swimplatform makes better seat area. Also better as we often put a windlass in stern here in Sweden
More seats on bridge(u-shaped models)
Volvo engines is normally a little cheaper in parts and a little easier to get parts in Europe

Cranchi -
Older look
A little yellow gelcoat
Beam 3.83m
Volvo engines = black smoke


Pictures Azimut 39
https://www.google.se/search?q=azim...DA&ved=0CB8QsAQ#tbm=isch&q=azimut+39&imgdii=_

Pictures Cranchi 40 Atlantique
https://www.google.se/search?q=azim...sAQ#tbm=isch&q=cranchi+40+atlantique&imgdii=_




Thanks :)
 
Don't know about the Azimut 39 but I know someone with a 46, fantastic boat, looks great and good use of space.

Good luck with your hunt, seems there's lots of us buying new boats at the moment
 
I can't help, but am very jealous! I currently have a Cranchi Smeraldo 37 and very happy with build, and ease of routing cables etc. (still a pain, but easier due to tunnels) - I would love an Atlantique 40, and seriously considering one as my next boat... keep us updated
 
Richard, a very warm welcome to the forum. I own an Asi 39, so therefore a little biased, and I know nothing about the Cranchi.
I have owned my Azi for just over 18 months, and to date am very happy with her, a 2002 UK spec. I think the twin transom doors are a real bonus, as we can moor to port or starboard equally comfortably, although with the helm on the port on the Flybridge, mooring to part is a little easier.
The fly works well for us, comfortable seating 4, and we can take additional chairs upstairs if we are entertaining more. Cockpit comfortably seats 3 on the transom bench, 2 on occasional chairs and 2 or 3 more on the steps.
The bathing platform is large, and enables us to stow a 2.6m ribon Hurley davvits, with plenty of room both sides to get on and off.
Saloon seating is very comfortable, and 2 en suite cabins is great for entertaining. The Vacu flush heads are a great feature, and have been very reliable to date.
We have twin Cat 3126 engines, on ZF gearboxes. The ZF controls are fantastic, so easy to use. We also have a Kohler generator.
Overall we are very happy with her. Love the styling, looking more contemporary than Princess or Fairline of a similar age. Build quality is great too, she is very well engineered and good specification.
If you want to know more, please PM me.
 
Hi and welcome, I also have an Azimut 39, love it, especially with its all round capability and the North Sea and islands I cruise, very easy to helm in all conditions and a joy to own and maintain. As stated very nice style and built well.
 
Thanks for all replies and keep your thoughts coming :)

The problem I see with the Azimut is how to place to windlass and bow roller in the stern. This is a must have in Sweden as we most of time go with the bow on to Islands(see pictures)
Need to place one of these bow roller(see links) on the swimplatform. Would prefer the first model to not have the anchor hanging out outside the swim platform
http://www.boatstuff.se/battillbeho...-ankarhallare/ankarhallare-for-infallnad.html
http://www.boatstuff.se/battillbeho...hallare/ankarhallare-ankarrulle-vipp-403.html

On the Azimut I can´t place any type of bowroller on the starbord side due to the ladder
Placing it on the babord side in front of one of the doors is not a good solution. I feel that the door on the barboard side would be the "main entrance" as it´s in front of the stairs to the bridge
Could place a standard bow roller to the babord side of the babord opening but then I have the bow roller and anchor hanging outside of the boat. That is a common way to place it but I don´t like it. Not good when docking with the stern etc

One more minus for the Azimut is the draft that is 10cm more. Have shallow water where I dock part of the season.

Does anyone know the total height of these boats(arch down). That´s also one point as I would like get the boat in my storage during winter. Free height is 447cm.


I also found the Galeon 380. Years around 2002-2004. I assume that it can´t be compared to the quality of Azimut and Cranchi?
Galeon 380 +
Cheaper
Seems smart built with lots of storage everywhere
KAD44/KAD300 cheap on gas
Probably a bit less in total height


Galeon 380 -
A bit smaller
Outdrives
KAD44/KAD300 maybe have to work hard in this boat? Looks pretty flat in the bottom in stern so it might not be any problem
Flat bottom not good in rough sea
How about quality?
 

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Rickard,

Being Scandinavian myself (welcome to the forum by the way) and understanding the way people use their boats I would look very closely at the practicality of the bow section and how easy it would be to get on-shore when nosing to the shore in with anchoring from the stern. On the Atlantique, you seem to have a relatively open bow section which could take a lowering ladder and make for easy boarding etc, whilst on the Azi you have a fully closed pulpit section.... which will make it a pain to design a lowering ladder to...

No doubt both boats are very good, but only you can determine (based upon your boat use) the practicalities of the various configuration. On the face of it, and based upon typical Scandinavian use, I'd favour the deck layout of the Atlantique (Plenty of space for a rear anchor winch and looks like it could give the easiest bow & bow ladder access).

But the interior needs to work for you as well..

Good luck !!
 
That´s correct. The Azimut needs to be opened up in the nose and probably also have a bow sprit put on to work for my needs.
I sell bow sprits so that´s the least problem. Open up the nose and have it custom built will cost some.
The inside of the Azimut and Cranchi I assume is pretty much the same.
Based on the problems with the swim platform/twin doors of the Azimut the Cranchi seems to be the better one for me. Or the Galeon 380...
If it wasn´t for the bath ladder on the Azimut I could have some one to professionally do a fiberglass work and close the starboard opening forever :p

All these boat are quite rare in Sweden so there is a little or no chance for me to see the boats before I go to the Med and look at them. There for your help and thoughts is worth a lot :)

But first I need to sell my Windy 32. Have some interest in it and there is only one more on the market so it looks positive :encouragement:
 
Rickard said:
Another question.
When saying Med or UK spec does that mean anything more than the difference in heating/AC system?
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Med spec normally has a larger generator to drive the aircon, which will reverse cycle for heating. Also a passerelle for mooring stern in. UK spec will have diesel powered heating. Passerelle a pain in the UK as it can be an obstruction on the bathing platform.
 
Rickard said:
Cranchi -
A little yellow gelcoat
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Do you mean that you don't like the Cranchi gelcoat colour, or that the boat you are looking at has some patchy gelcoat?
I'm wondering because Cranchi gelcoat indeed has a bit creamy colour, which you might like or not, but its quality is normally pretty good.

That said, between an AZ39 and a 40Atl, I'd definitely go for the first.
Btw, the 40Atl is a smaller boat overall - in fact, she was originally designed as a 38 footer, and labelled a 40 after they extended the swim platform.
Mind, I have nothing against Cranchi as such: I bought one of their Zaffiro 34 years ago, and enjoyed the boat a lot.
And the 40Atl is not a bad boat, by all means. But when it comes to flybridge boats, AZ is simply in another league.

All the best for your search, anyway!

PS: and welcome, of course!
 
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MapisM said:
Do you mean that you don't like the Cranchi gelcoat colour, or that the boat you are looking at has some patchy gelcoat?
I'm wondering because Cranchi gelcoat indeed has a bit creamy colour, which you might like or not, but its quality is normally pretty good.

That said, between an AZ39 and a 40Atl, I'd definitely go for the first.
Btw, the 40Atl is a smaller boat overall - in fact, she was originally designed as a 38 footer, and labelled a 40 after they extended the swim platform.
Mind, I have nothing against Cranchi as such: I bought one of their Zaffiro 34 years ago, and enjoyed the boat a lot.
And the 40Atl is not a bad boat, by all means. But when it comes to flybridge boats, AZ is simply in another league.

All the best for your search, anyway!

PS: and welcome, of course!
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Don´t think that the Cranchi creamy colored gelcoat look bad but it takes away a little of the fresh look. All the hours put on buffing doesn´t show the same as on a "white" gelcoat boat :D
Nothing that will me to say no to the Cranchi
Would really like to see the boats and compare. Maybe then I also could come up with a solution for the stern windlass/bow roller on the Azimut
The thing with twin doors is a thing that probably could scare away buyers when selling in Sweden. Most of the boating people here think more seating/storage than looks/stylish

So at the moment the Cranchi is a little bit a head of the Azimut. No comments on the Galeon 380?
 
Rickard said:
Don´t think that the Cranchi creamy colored gelcoat look bad but it takes away a little of the fresh look. All the hours put on buffing doesn´t show the same as on a "white" gelcoat boat :D
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I actually went for the Cranchi because of the colour, each to their own ;) I think it hides marks etc. better and it's just something a little different

So at the moment the Cranchi is a little bit a head of the Azimut. No comments on the Galeon 380?
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Just that she's on out-drives, so could cost more maintenance in the long run. Also, people say that out-drives and flybridges don't go well, but i'm not qualified to comment.
 
alt said:
I actually went for the Cranchi because of the colour, each to their own ;) I think it hides marks etc. better and it's just something a little different


Just that she's on out-drives, so could cost more maintenance in the long run. Also, people say that out-drives and flybridges don't go well, but i'm not qualified to comment.
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You make a very good point Alt. My Azi is very easy to manoeuvre and moor. The centre of mass being well forward, shaft drives, and the fantastic ZF controls make this a very easy boat to steer.
 
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