JumbleDuck
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I think his claim is that while surrounding land belongs to the NT, the river bed (unlike the situation at Beaulieu) does not.
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I think his claim is that while surrounding land belongs to the NT, the river bed (unlike the situation at Beaulieu) does not.
prv
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I'm sure he's very insistent
. But no, never even seen him.We often do arrive late, as Beaulieu is conveniently round the corner from us. So it's either as far as we get after departing after work on a Friday, or we come back across the Channel, in past the Needles, and decide we'll leave the last bit up Southampton Water for tomorrow.
We don't necessarily leave early though. I'm not a naturally early riser, and if my mate Chris is doing one of his famous breakfeasts then that will take some time
Since it is just a pit-stop for us rather than a destination, we do anchor right down the bottom in the reach that runs parallel to the shore. Maybe he doesn't bother to go down there so often?
Pete
l'escargot
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Newtown Harbour is National Trust, it is just not a statutory harbour which is the reason they can't charge for anchoring.
dom
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To be fair I see where you're coming from, probably as a reaction to my mother dragging me around one too many boring stately home as child. That said:
- The rich leave more tangible physical evidence of their past lives than the artisans, who in turn leave more evidence than the working class. These assets provide useful lenses through which to view entire societies of the time.
- Rich people display good taste just as much as their poorer cousins and vice versa?
JumbleDuck
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Poor people do leave lots of evidence of their existence ... including, of course, the homes lived in by rich people. The trouble is that in general the relics of poorer people are, or have been, less valued. Big posh house with marble staircase? A national treasure which must be saved. Row of back-to-backs? Tear 'em down. Even within stately homes the aristocratic were a small minority, and yet the NT experience is almost exclusively the rooms they used, with perhaps a token not as some copper pans in the kitchen if you're lucky.
Taste? Most stately homes are geological bling inside - designed to show off wealth and power. This is perhaps getting a tad off-topic, but in many cases I think styles are valued because they are associated with wealth. Rolex watches are hideous!
Excellent point. Perhaps it's the NT membership who should be preserved for the nation?
dom
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Ahh but it's not just copper pots is it? North of England NT sites routinely contain ever so tasteful collections of plastic replica miners with soot painted faces who toil from 9-5 (plus extended summer opening hours) under some patronising soundtrack reproducing an imaginary working class vernacular of the days gone by. Walk into another room and you'll see his plastic wife scold his dirty truant child. The next might revisit the workers' bar where boozed up plastic workers swill their plastic pints whist watching two plastic colleagues engage in a never ending two dimensional brawl; all of course set to to yet another tastefully historical soundtrack!
Sorry JD, Rolex don't come close
AndrewfromFal
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Back in my student days up North, I met a chap called Fred Dale who ran a very successful company recreating smells. Initially his biggest customers were Supermarkets who wanted the smell of the bakery to permeate through their stores without having actually having a bakery (before that sort of thing was illegal). He later diversified into all sorts of other stuff; one of his more memorable requests was when some showpiece cottages were being restored at Buckler's Hard, Lord Montagu told him he wanted him to recreate 'the smell of poverty'Ahh but it's not just copper pots is it? North of England NT sites routinely contain ever so tasteful collections of plastic replica miners with soot painted faces who toil from 9-5 (plus extended summer opening hours) under some patronising soundtrack reproducing an imaginary working class vernacular of the days gone by. Walk into another room and you'll see his plastic wife scold his dirty truant child. The next might revisit the workers' bar where boozed up plastic workers swill their plastic pints whist watching two plastic colleagues engage in a never ending two dimensional brawl; all of course set to to yet another tastefully historical soundtrack!
Sorry JD, Rolex don't come close
Seajet
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He could have captured that aroma on any boat leaving Bucklers Hard !
Giblets
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Sounds like money for old rope as I doubt the good Lord would have known what the smell was like anyway!!!
dom
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Priceless!
steveeasy
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Hi,
Not sure if this is even relevant.
Unless I am wrong The National Trust may well receive considerable funding in the form of grants from Defra. This in turn comes from both the UK and from EU funds, that ultimately comes from ourselves, the taxpayer. I think the majority of the population in this country would be shocked and dismayed if they were aware of what our money was being used for.
Ive been involved in quite a big PHSO investigation in to Defra, and their shambolic distribution of taxpayers money. the investigation took three years and found DEFRA guilty of maladministration in giving our money away. They also covered up fraudulent applications for grants for £100,000s of our money.
In Lincolnshire we have two huge venues that were funded for the 2012 Olympics, One they thought was actually the venue for the olympics. Of course not an ounce of truth in it. We have a cowboy centre given £700,000 of our money. We have a farmer given £450,000 to build an office in his garden, He then relocated his existing business 500 yards to the new office. covered up by DEFRA. There are hundreds of them, and they are all given to extremely wealthy landowners. Of course this has been subject to a huge coverup. If you watch Adam Henson on country file, he has been given a massive award. and then you have to hear them pleading poverty.
Nothing too against the NT. Just sick of watching the rich being handed our money.
End of rant
Steveeasy
Not sure if this is even relevant.
Unless I am wrong The National Trust may well receive considerable funding in the form of grants from Defra. This in turn comes from both the UK and from EU funds, that ultimately comes from ourselves, the taxpayer. I think the majority of the population in this country would be shocked and dismayed if they were aware of what our money was being used for.
Ive been involved in quite a big PHSO investigation in to Defra, and their shambolic distribution of taxpayers money. the investigation took three years and found DEFRA guilty of maladministration in giving our money away. They also covered up fraudulent applications for grants for £100,000s of our money.
In Lincolnshire we have two huge venues that were funded for the 2012 Olympics, One they thought was actually the venue for the olympics. Of course not an ounce of truth in it. We have a cowboy centre given £700,000 of our money. We have a farmer given £450,000 to build an office in his garden, He then relocated his existing business 500 yards to the new office. covered up by DEFRA. There are hundreds of them, and they are all given to extremely wealthy landowners. Of course this has been subject to a huge coverup. If you watch Adam Henson on country file, he has been given a massive award. and then you have to hear them pleading poverty.
Nothing too against the NT. Just sick of watching the rich being handed our money.
End of rant
Steveeasy
CPD
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Mr Old Rhodie, please save your astonishment, typing muscles, and perhaps read my writinngs more carefully. I was nowhere near fouling a swinging mooring. Thank you Mr jac for your observations which describe the real situation perfectly .
.steveeasy
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That easy to kill a thread. I expected a deluge of opinion from different perspectives. The recipients of many of these awards have very successful primary businesses, They in many cases have significant assets. Defra in their wisdom have been handing out huge awards to create new subsidiary businesses for these landowners, that have displaced hundreds of local businesses. whilst not publicised, they range from Tea rooms to large complexes attached to historic buildings. Wedding Venues. To provide a little prospective, we did run a very busy equestrian show centre in the East Midlands. Every single competitor business surrounding us for 60-70 miles had received awards ranging from £150,000 to £700,000. Of course they were all extremely wealthy busineses, so they were handed more money, some received second awards. One was investigated and found to be Fraudulent, Defra let them off. In the very same country we sent nearly 100 people to prison for not paying for a TV license and our governments have left communities all along the north East coast to fall in to decay.
Apologies for going of topic, but to raise awareness once does not do any harm.
Steveeasy
Steveeasy
Seajet
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Steveeasy,
well I'm grateful for your info; very interesting, and sadly I'm not that surprised !
This subject ought to go somewhere, it's worthy of a lot of discussion.
well I'm grateful for your info; very interesting, and sadly I'm not that surprised !
This subject ought to go somewhere, it's worthy of a lot of discussion.
steveeasy
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Hi Seajet,
well I never believed(perhaps I led a sheltered life) that so much corruption could really exist within a government establishment. Ive seen caravan parks close down following defra handing out 400,000 to a landowner to build a new one right nest door to an existing one, bigger and better than the existing ones locally. Ive seen applications for new offices in the garden of mansions given 100,000s to create 25 new jobs, then watch as the new jobs actually were the applicants existing employees.they moved 500 yards. That one was investigated by the EU and ordered defra to deal with the issue. DEFRA then stated no case to answer. The cowboy centre given 700,000 of our money to pay the contractors, never did. under the eyes of our government they watched while builders never got paid and our still owed 585,000 of the £700,000.
well I never believed(perhaps I led a sheltered life) that so much corruption could really exist within a government establishment. Ive seen caravan parks close down following defra handing out 400,000 to a landowner to build a new one right nest door to an existing one, bigger and better than the existing ones locally. Ive seen applications for new offices in the garden of mansions given 100,000s to create 25 new jobs, then watch as the new jobs actually were the applicants existing employees.they moved 500 yards. That one was investigated by the EU and ordered defra to deal with the issue. DEFRA then stated no case to answer. The cowboy centre given 700,000 of our money to pay the contractors, never did. under the eyes of our government they watched while builders never got paid and our still owed 585,000 of the £700,000.
Iain C
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Let me be clear...I absolutely, totally get why it costs a lot of money to run some of these old stately homes. To be honest, they are not really my thing, however if they want to charge a premium to visit them, fair enough. Endless grounds maintenance, and keeping the decay of the buildings at bay must be a bit of a nightmare.
However paying almost a tenner a head to look at a ruined castle (Corfe) where as far as I can see it there is almost no maintenance apart from keeping the grass down, is a bit of a skank. All the NT have done is place a number of staff (one to direct you into the ticket office, two to sell you a ticket and go for the membership up sell, and another one to check the ticket 20 feet further on), and also a number of pointless signs, harping on about health and safety and totally ruining some great photo opportunities. If the NT were not there, I'm sure the place would still function. Bear in mind we arrived there (Corfe) via a steam railway almost exclusively run by volunteers and you get my point. Running a railway versus keeping some stones clean. Hmmm.
In the ticket office, there is a sign saying that if you visit all the local NT attractions, you'll be fleeced for £100, so you might as well join. Actually, that's a complete porkie as one of them is a beach, which provided you are not parking a car, is free to visit.
Similar story in the Lake District, where they had basically taken over a naturally occurring waterfall, built a car park and a path, and justified another hefty entrance fee to go and look at something that they really had no need to "manage".
In these days of lottery funding, I'd much rather see a policy that if it's a stately home or similar behind a locked door, then feel free to charge, however if it's a natural feature or an old ruin or similar, it should be free. I really think they are losing sight of their "forever, for everyone" mantra and becoming a "for a price, for those who can afford it".
However paying almost a tenner a head to look at a ruined castle (Corfe) where as far as I can see it there is almost no maintenance apart from keeping the grass down, is a bit of a skank. All the NT have done is place a number of staff (one to direct you into the ticket office, two to sell you a ticket and go for the membership up sell, and another one to check the ticket 20 feet further on), and also a number of pointless signs, harping on about health and safety and totally ruining some great photo opportunities. If the NT were not there, I'm sure the place would still function. Bear in mind we arrived there (Corfe) via a steam railway almost exclusively run by volunteers and you get my point. Running a railway versus keeping some stones clean. Hmmm.
In the ticket office, there is a sign saying that if you visit all the local NT attractions, you'll be fleeced for £100, so you might as well join. Actually, that's a complete porkie as one of them is a beach, which provided you are not parking a car, is free to visit.
Similar story in the Lake District, where they had basically taken over a naturally occurring waterfall, built a car park and a path, and justified another hefty entrance fee to go and look at something that they really had no need to "manage".
In these days of lottery funding, I'd much rather see a policy that if it's a stately home or similar behind a locked door, then feel free to charge, however if it's a natural feature or an old ruin or similar, it should be free. I really think they are losing sight of their "forever, for everyone" mantra and becoming a "for a price, for those who can afford it".
Twister_Ken
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Given that the National Rust is there, then in this litigious age can you imagine the fuss if someone got brained by a bit of falling masonry? I suspect it has no choice but to label the dodgiest bits with warning notices, just to cover its corporate backside. Maybe they could be less blatant though.
Twister_Ken
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Given that the National Rust is there, then in this litigious age can you imagine the fuss if someone got brained by a bit of falling masonry? I suspect it has no choice but to label the dodgiest bits with warning notices, just to cover its corporate backside. Maybe they could be less blatant though.
TimBennet
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If you are a NT member you can visit any of their houses or gardens for free. Members can also park for free in any of their car parks and go for a lovely walk on the beach or in the woods.
But as a member, you don't even get a penny discount for a night in one of their own campsites. It's as if they checked who amongst the trustees used the various facilities and made those free, but decided to charge for camping as it's only something poor people would use and they don't won't to encourage them to be members.
basic
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I'm not against 83 year old NT supporters at all, dodderers or otherwise; it's the self satisfied graduates who once bought a ' green ' car jack knitted from rhubarb and think they need to lecture everyone else how right on they are who get me.
At the NT volunteer weekend an idiot such as I describe decided he was ' team leader ' and produced a book ' leadership ' which he ostentasiously waved around; in the nissen hut in the evening we didn't have the radio on, that would be far too democratic; he played tapes of him and his wife's anserphone greeting messages, I kid you not !
I feel I was displaying true leadership when instead of inserting the tape into him sideways I just stood up and said ' sod this, who's coming to the pub ? '
This had an effect the Pied Piper could only dream of, and of course established pure hatred on his part.
La classe!
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