Newtown Creek

jac said:
True.

But that applies to many a buoy. Look at the ones off Yarmouth and iirc Newtown is no better. (Not picked up a buoy there for years. ) Few places have buoys spaced wide enough apart for two "normal" sized boats to lie facing opposite directions - one to tide, one to wind.
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I'd contend that, with the tides off Yarmouth, you would't choose to moor a wind-rode boat there if you were lying against the tide!
 
Seajet said:
Everywhere one goes which is NT owned they all look the same, identical approach to paths, half log area markings & sub-buildings and like the RSPB mentioned in another thread, they always know best, ie suits the finances and personal careers...
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Oh god yes. Olive green paint everywhere, expensive teas in the old stables and snooty staff who seem to think that because they work in a grand house they belong there. On the up side, they sell those stickers for car windows which warn you that the car in front is being driven by an 83 year old dodderer.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Oh god yes. Olive green paint everywhere, expensive teas in the old stables and snooty staff who seem to think that because they work in a grand house they belong there. On the up side, they sell those stickers for car windows which warn you that the car in front is being driven by an 83 year old dodderer.
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Quite a contradiction in that paragraph - on the one hand you criticise snooty NT staff and then on the other you yourself dismiss (are "snooty") about an 83 year old dodderer. Are you angry about everything?

Never forget that an 83 year old is often a young mind in an old body - think RKJ for example.
 
jac said:
Am I missing something here. A few metres away is not fouling the buoy but could be agreed to be close.

Surely if you are anchored you are going to be on longer scope than a permanent mooring. So if the mooring buoy is near your stern then you are clear of it. If someone picks it up, they will drop back as the tide (or wind ) has more impact on the boat than the buoy.

Then when the tide turns, you will move through a larger 1/2 circle than the boat on the buoy so will be further away than you are now.
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Precisely what I thought.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Oh god yes. Olive green paint everywhere, expensive teas in the old stables and snooty staff who seem to think that because they work in a grand house they belong there. On the up side, they sell those stickers for car windows which warn you that the car in front is being driven by an 83 year old dodderer.
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Point of order there, Mr Duck! Not everyone who displays an NT sticker is a doddery 83 year old. Some of us have them so that we can park for free in their multitude of different car parks! :encouragement:
 
Robih said:
Quite a contradiction in that paragraph - on the one hand you criticise snooty NT staff and then on the other you yourself dismiss (are "snooty") about an 83 year old dodderer. Are you angry about everything?
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No, I'm very selective. In this case I'm not even angry - somewhere between peeved and amused, really, at the misguided notion that working in a stately home elevates you to the nobility.

Never forget that an 83 year old is often a young mind in an old body - think RKJ for example.
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Of course. That's why I wrote "83 year old dodderer" and not "83 year old".
 
Giblets said:
Point of order there, Mr Duck! Not everyone who displays an NT sticker is a doddery 83 year old. Some of us have them so that we can park for free in their multitude of different car parks! :encouragement:
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Yeah, but you still have to wander down main roads at 42 miles an hour in a Citroën C3 Picasso, don't you? It's a high price to pay for free parking.
 
If you go ashore at Shalfleet, there is a NT collection box.

I have always found the NT staff at Newtown friendly, helpful and courteous, and I agree with L'Escargot re use of donations.

I do not recognise Seajet's description of the place or of the staff. And I am prepared to believe that it costs a lot of money to keep the place as it is.
 
I'm not against 83 year old NT supporters at all, dodderers or otherwise; it's the self satisfied graduates who once bought a ' green ' car jack knitted from rhubarb and think they need to lecture everyone else how right on they are who get me.

At the NT volunteer weekend an idiot such as I describe decided he was ' team leader ' and produced a book ' leadership ' which he ostentasiously waved around; in the nissen hut in the evening we didn't have the radio on, that would be far too democratic; he played tapes of him and his wife's anserphone greeting messages, I kid you not !

I feel I was displaying true leadership when instead of inserting the tape into him sideways I just stood up and said ' sod this, who's coming to the pub ? '

This had an effect the Pied Piper could only dream of, and of course established pure hatred on his part. :)
 
jac said:
Settles back with some popcorn to watch the show.......
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People seem to be objecting to green paint, log paths, claiming to have seen Sir Robin Knox-Johnston driving an 83 year old Citroen down Newtown High street at ( precisely) 42 mph while waving a NT sticker and looking for a free parking space, or was he mooring it one one of the visitors buoys in the creek?

Perhaps its just a competition to see who can post the most billhooks in 5 lines. Seajet's winning at the moment!
 
Seems to be the norm on this forum, knock anyone who is doing a bit of good successfully when the knockers could do no better themselves, often it is the RNLI under attack, now we have the NT. I have anchored a lot in Newtown Creek, and the boke having the 'brass neck to ask for money' is exremely pleasant. We always make a donation at least equal to the amount that the highighwaymen working the anchorage on the shore side of the Solent demand, yes Beaulieu river, there you will have no choice but to pay.

What does the NT do? Its my understanding if the NT had not bought Newtown river it could have been taken over by, I think, a power station development or similar.

That is what the NT does, it keeps coastal footpaths and grand properties open by buying them, for folks to visit and use. Where do you think the money comes from? If you are so tight not to put your hand in your pocket to anchor, or you dont like the NT experience in general, then keep away and stop moaning.
 
And, getting back to the OP's question, I don't think he need worry about finding someone to throw money at after the fact. Part of the unwritten etiquette of visitor moorings in my book - make a good-faith effort to pay on the day, including popping into the harbour office if you go ashore and there is one, but if there's nobody about and no honesty box then accept your free night with a clear conscience. It's not as if it cost them anything extra to have your boat tied to a buoy for a few hours.

EDIT: Jars a bit with Galadriel's post above :). To be clear, it was written before his had appeared.

Pete
 
I joined the NT when the kids were little so we always had somewhere to take them. I was very upset when my now 20 year olds said they would have preferred dysney land and arcades.
 
galadriel said:
That is what the NT does, it keeps coastal footpaths and grand properties open by buying them, for folks to visit and use.
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Coastal footpaths are fine, but they have far too many grand properties. It reflects a very biassed view of our national heritage: that the vulgarities of the rich are to be treasured simply because rich people built them. To be fair to the NT, that was more of a problem twenty years ago, and they now seem a little better at preserving more than polished marble.

Where do you think the money comes from? If you are so tight not to put your hand in your pocket to anchor, or you dont like the NT experience in general, then keep away and stop moaning.
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The NT used to have an acquisition policy of only taking on properties which were financially self-sustaining. Which of course raises the question of why the NT needed to take them on in the first place. The answer, rather often, was as a dodge toe scape death duties: families would give the house to the NT but retain exclusive use of most of it in perpetuity and use of the rest whenever (most of the time) it was closed to visitors. Much like the artworks scam whereby works of art are given to the nation, nominally, and then kept privately and effectively out of sight.

I was driving down the Lake District yesterday. Interesting place. If the NT hadn't acquired much of it, I bet it wouldn't be so pretty. Then again, it might not be quite so dominated by second homes. Tricky balance.

Incidentally, you do realise, don't you, that apart from some bits of the South Coast of England, the notion of paying to anchor in the UK is pretty bizarre?
 
prv said:
I know they can and do charge for anchoring there, but I don't remember ever having been asked. Not in the last five years, anyway.

Pete
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You must have arrived late in the day and been away very early, believe me. When the bloke turns up as he does several times a day, there is no choice about payment!
 
galadriel said:
Seems to be the norm on this forum, knock anyone who is doing a bit of good successfully when the knockers could do no better themselves, often it is the RNLI under attack, now we have the NT. I have anchored a lot in Newtown Creek, and the boke having the 'brass neck to ask for money' is exremely pleasant. We always make a donation at least equal to the amount that the highighwaymen working the anchorage on the shore side of the Solent demand, yes Beaulieu river, there you will have no choice but to pay.

What does the NT do? Its my understanding if the NT had not bought Newtown river it could have been taken over by, I think, a power station development or similar.

That is what the NT does, it keeps coastal footpaths and grand properties open by buying them, for folks to visit and use. Where do you think the money comes from? If you are so tight not to put your hand in your pocket to anchor, or you dont like the NT experience in general, then keep away and stop moaning.
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Correct, I don't like the NT experience in general; at least I had the gumption and ethics to go and volunteer for a long weekend of hands-on labour.

I avoid NT places as I think their attitude stinks; but Newtown Creek is NOT an NT place, and if pretending it was then falsely charging people on that pretence wasn't exhibiting a brass neck I don't know what is.

I might have donated before that try-on, but now I treat it as what it is, a free anchorage.
 
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