Newtown Creek mooring fees?
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lenseman
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Pay by Credit/Debit card and see if they can handle that? Ask for a receipt and see if they can handle that also.
You are legally entitled to a receipt when you purchase something, including berthing and mooring. No receipt, no money.
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You are legally entitled to a receipt when you purchase something, including berthing and mooring. No receipt, no money.
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l'escargot
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And I am sure that they can also say no money, no mooring - you want to use their service, ie their mooring, then you should pay or (literally) sling your hook. They are under no obligation to take credit or debit cards.
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sailorman
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Slinging the hook is still chargeable init
aussi
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(Sorry this is a reply to a comment from last month, but I was interested) I just looked on ActiveCaptain and there is quite a bit of pricing info there, you can display berthing prices and even order by cheapest -> most expensive
prv
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sailorman
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I thought that the NT owned the river bed
alant
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They might do, but not on the same basis as Montague of Beaulieu does, who I think has some Crown warrant/Act of Parliament billy do. They cannot charge for 'attached to the bottom', unless on their mooring buoys, but Montague can.
l'escargot
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They (the NT) only ask for a "donation" if you anchor and it is not an issue if you say no. I seldom go into the place because it is generally packed on a nice summer weekend and not the quiet haven that people seem to allude to, but on the few occasions I have I don't see the problem in chucking them a fiver.
DJE
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The man in the boat issues a bus ticket type receipt for mooring charges.
ninky
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We paid £15 to be on a buoy in our 22 ft boat. If we'd anchored I would have happily given a donation. Our boat was the smallest and I expect quite easily the cheapest there so I'm pretty sure people in flasher vessels can afford the mooring fees. Can't believe how tight people who are lucky enough to own boats and get to use beautiful locations like this are. If it wasn't for the National trust keeping the place clean it would be covered in the usual litter and floating bits of junk, plus no harbour master to make sure everyone is safely moored in what is a pretty busy location with a strong ebb at times.
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prv
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I'm not sure of the exact arrangement at Newtown, but generally if the water is tidal then you have a right (actually written in the Magna Carta!) to navigate across it which includes temporarily anchoring (ie not laying a permanent mooring). This is then modified if the area is formally constituted as a harbour (in which case the relevant act of Parliament generally gives the harbour organisation the right to charge dues if it wants to, and to tell you where you can and can't moor and anchor) and for a few other specific exceptions with their own Acts. Two local examples being Lord Montague having control over the Beaulieu and Osborne House owning its beach below the high water mark, which you usually can't (this one was set up to keep the 19th century Paparazzi away from Queen Victoria!). They also had to pass an act of Parliament in order to appropriate the Olympic dinghy sailing areas off Portland, by temporarily expanding the limits of Weymouth Harbour. Otherwise, the International Olympic Committee does not trump the Magna Carta, and they'd have had no right to shoo people away.
My understanding is that Newtown Creek is not a formal harbour, so the normal right of navigation applies.
Pete
stuartwineberg
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I was there today and the receipt is definitely given - from what looks like a1960's bus conductor's machine complete with the mechanical dial a price knobs on the top. We had a chat with the very friendly bloke and he confirms pretty much what is said here - donation requested for anchoring but definitely not insisted upon. NT members are not asked for a donation. Buoys are payable whether or not you are an NT member. Main work is maintaining the buoys and preventing fishermen from ripping up the oyster beds beyond the new orange buoys at the end of Clamerkin lake. The orange buoys represent the limit for anchoring but you can go past there if tide permits as long as you don't drop a hook.
VicMallows
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Yes, almost worth going there just for the nostalgia of that ticket machine! (though I do remember the even earlier ones with a 'telephone dial' ... and even trolley-bus tickets in different colours
)I always anchor at Newtown, and certainly don't begrudge a donation. Even if staying several days it is rare to be approached again. Indeed early this year the warden made a point of marking me on his 'plan' so that I would not be disturbed again. My only concern is that the mooring buoys do not proliferate any more at the expense of the anchorage areas.
rotrax
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Yes, almost worth going there just for the nostalgia of that ticket machine! (though I do remember the even earlier ones with a 'telephone dial' ... and even trolley-bus tickets in different colours
Twenty years or so ago I was comissioned by a guy to sell some rare and valuable Vintage motorbike spares.
He was down on his luck and did not have enough work to make a living.
His job-he repaired and serviced mechanical tills and ticket machines as above.
He told me it was his own fault: "When electronic stuff came out I had the opertunity to re-train. I thought it would never catch on..............."
henryf
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I am also staggered at how tight many boat owners seem to be.
If you don't like Newtown Creek then stay away. In fact there will be little appeal in the Solent for you.
For the rest of us we all have memories of Newtown creek. Still evenings, misty mornings, sunset over the Solent or sunrise over the fields. The bird song, the quirky entrance and ancient sea defences. Dinghy trips up to the old boat yard and then a leisurely walk onwards to the pub for dinner. The moonlit ride back to your boat and remembering the last thing you forgot to do was turn on the anchor light.
The mooring buoys give reassurance if needed and for some is a few pounds well spent. Anchoring is free.
Henry
If you don't like Newtown Creek then stay away. In fact there will be little appeal in the Solent for you.
For the rest of us we all have memories of Newtown creek. Still evenings, misty mornings, sunset over the Solent or sunrise over the fields. The bird song, the quirky entrance and ancient sea defences. Dinghy trips up to the old boat yard and then a leisurely walk onwards to the pub for dinner. The moonlit ride back to your boat and remembering the last thing you forgot to do was turn on the anchor light.
The mooring buoys give reassurance if needed and for some is a few pounds well spent. Anchoring is free.
Henry
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ninky
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For the rest of us we all have memories of Newtown creek.
Yes, it's a magical place. Nice youtube - spotted that incredible junk rigged yacht there ourselves. I definitely want a junk rig when I grow up
chrisedwards
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That's me. My home berth is Ashlett and Newtown feels huge after sailing there - rather like running on sand. Inspired by working on the Yangtze in the 70's. Thousands of junk rigs doing things no other sailing boat would do.
For the rest of us we all have memories of Newtown creek.
Yes, it's a magical place. Nice youtube - spotted that incredible junk rigged yacht there ourselves. I definitely want a junk rig when I grow up
Giblets
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A chap I know in Ramsgate converted his Leisure 17 to junk rigged. Very nicely done it was too.