Newbie needs info/impressions of Yanmar 3GM30

mbsl98

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Hi folks,
First post after lurking for a while. I have recently acquired a Marshall 22 gaff rigged catboat with a Yanmar 3GM30. (see http://www.marshallcat.com/M22Lines.htm for details) I don't believe the boat is much known in Europe, but the Yanmar obviously is. I bought a 1985 example, with low hours, light use, and good maintenance for the most part, although the prior owner of last 9 years was not a tinkerer and there are various projects on my list for the winter. I am most interested in the amount of engine vibration to be expected at various speeds. I knew it needed a new shaft and cutlas bearing, and probably new motor mounts, and have sort of viewed the vibrations while underway as mostly due to those things. However, as I tinker with it, I find that there is a good bit of engine vibration at different RPM's while running out of gear. In particular, there are vibrations that come and go as the RPM's rise, so that there are speed levels that are pretty smooth, and others that have more significant vibrations. I had a Volvo 3 cylinder in a Dufour 35 for 15 years, and remember that 3 cylinder as being pretty smooth once above idle, so this Yanmar seems to me to need some attention. I expected it to be smoother than the Volvo. If it should be pretty smooth at unloaded speeds, what are the usual things to chase down to get it there? I expect it is time to send the injectors out for cleaning, spray pattern, etc., and probably there are areas that build up carbon deposits that could start to impact running, but this is just guessing and that's why I am asking this august group. Aside from vibration, it does seem to run well, burning about 2 liters/hour at cruise (2500 RPM and about 6 knots), and lots of power as would be expected with this much motor in a 5600 pound boat. I have found that the motor wil top out at only 3200 RPM's, about 7 knots, while the manual rates it for short bursts at 3600. Assuming that the manufacturer spec'd it properly (they have produced this boat as is for over 40 years), I would have expected to be able to reach 3600 at full throttle, so that may also suggest that some attention is needed. All thought very welcomed.
 
My first Yanmar was a 3GM30, and it also had a rev range at which it vibrated more- around 2500rpm. I never got to the bottom of it and simply avoided crusing at 2500rpm, it was fine at just above or below this.

The next one was a 2GM20 and it did exactly the same thing.

Current one is a 3GM30F, and it vibrates only slightly more at 2500, but not as badly as the other two.

As for the 3200rpm 'limit', could it be that, with a boat of only 22feet LOA, when the revs reach 3200 @ 7knots, the engine can't overcome the huge water resistance as the boat needs to get up on the plane to go any faster?
 
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Thanks for the input. Mine seems to vibrate more of the time, and has a few smooth speeds, instead of mostly smooth with a few rough speeds. Fairly variable vibration levels, not all the same level of roughness either. When it is in a smooth speed range, it is pretty nice, so I don't think there is anything internal to worry about, just don't know what is normal, and what to chase to improve it.

I wouldn't be surprised if your thought about 3200 being just a limit imposed by the hull speed was right. The water line is 21 feet, so 7 knots is already above theoretical hull speed and it does feel more like a motor boat as the bow rises :) If 3200 is the factual limit, wouldn't it be better if the prop was slightly re-pitched to let the motor reach its max power at the same boat speed? That is certainly the typical outboard motor target, but not sure if the same reasoning applies to an inboard diesel. On an outboard runabout, it is said that the boat/motor will run better at all speeds if it is pitched to reach max rated RPM on full throttle. The Yanmar manual says the motor is rated at 24 hp at 3400, 27 hp at 3600, with 3600 being only for shorter periods (under an hour). If the curve follows downward, then it would only be putting out around 22 HP at 3200, and straining. I am not trying to get more boat speed, just getting the motor to run at its best with least vibration and least strain for the long haul.
 
It's a matter of harmonics and it is coupling with the mass of the boat I am assuming that you are talking about vibration transmitted through the boat. If the engine mounts are particularly worn this could exagerate the vibration since you might get the engine directly coupled to the boat under certain conditions.
 
Yes, I am interested in reducing the sense of vibration transmitted to boat, and I am assuming that 25 year old engine mounts are part of the problem, even though they don't have lots of hours on them, just age. What I don't know yet is what level of vibration is the norm when everything is in good shape - are these motors seen as generaly pretty smooth above idle, or will it have mildly significant vibrations at most operating speeds at the best? Separately, all ideas of things to check/adjust/clean to bring the engine to its smoothest overall will be very appreciated. I am already planning on mounts and shaft/cutlas replacements.
 
As you have discovered you have far too much power for the boat, so not a lot of point chasing the last few revs and extra hp.

Almost certainly the vibration will be connected with the mounts. Yanmar mounts degrade or the rubber becomes detached from the metal without you knowing. The mounts are probably different hardness front to rear - they are on the 1GM. Yanmar mounts are expensive, but you might also consider Polymounts from Australia if they are available in the US. Good reports here on 1GMs - notorious for bouncing around! Rough running could of course be mechanical such as uneven compression or injectors needing a service.

Hope this helps
 
Yes, I am interested in reducing the sense of vibration transmitted to boat, and I am assuming that 25 year old engine mounts are part of the problem, even though they don't have lots of hours on them, just age. What I don't know yet is what level of vibration is the norm when everything is in good shape - are these motors seen as generaly pretty smooth above idle, or will it have mildly significant vibrations at most operating speeds at the best? Separately, all ideas of things to check/adjust/clean to bring the engine to its smoothest overall will be very appreciated. I am already planning on mounts and shaft/cutlas replacements.

Might be an idea to disconnect the engine - shaft coupling to see if it's a misalignment or bent shaft issue before committing to a spend on mounts or sterngear ?

Boo2
 
3200????? Mine won't rev past 2500 on my Beneteau 351! Is that a common thing? Is it possible that the prop is oversized? As far as I know its all original.

Either the rev counter is faulty or the boat is overpropped. If it is correctly propped 2500 will give you about 5.5 knots.
 
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Well, you asked for an impression of a 3GM30. Some say my impressions are uncanny.
 
Aside from my post regarding a starting problem that we currently have due to air in the system after a service, which we think that we have identified as an O ring seal problem, we have not had any problems with our 3GM30F.(I am now an expert at single handed bleeding the HP pump Line)

The engine has never failed under way.

The old girl has over 3500hrs on her clock. Engine runs brilliantly.

Re: Courageous and Tranona:
I agree with Tranona, we have a 33 fter and 2500 ish will give us 5.5 knots. she will also rev to 3200 no problems if we want.

I do find that having a clean bottom helps. Dirty bottom and down to 3.5 knots at 2700 rpm
 
Hmmm...... I AM getting around 5 knots on my 351 at 2500 so that would sound about correct. She's an ex charter boat (moorings). Do you think they might govern them down a bit (rigging on the morse lever maybe) to stop people abusing them?
 
Hmmm...... I AM getting around 5 knots on my 351 at 2500 so that would sound about correct. She's an ex charter boat (moorings). Do you think they might govern them down a bit (rigging on the morse lever maybe) to stop people abusing them?

I doubt it.

Check for dirty fuel filters & clogged up exhaust elbow.

Andy
 
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