New Tax Collecting Scam (not boaty)

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Now I know I was overdue taxing my car, and I'm not complaining directly about the £25 squid fine, but..........

I was reminded to check the car tax by the TV advert, but I was a bit shocked by the fact that it ran out last year. Allowing for two days to get a replacement insurance certificate I then taxed it via the local DVLA office.

In the same post as I received my new tax disk, backdated to the day the old one expired, I received the fine. The "date of offence" was listed as being the day after the tax expired. So it looks like anyone who's overdue on their tax gets a fine as soon as they re-tax the vehicle.

Is this OK? Yes I was "bang to rights" but my queries are these:
1. Would I not have been better to lie and say I'd been off the road eight weeks?
2. Does this encourage people to respond to the TV campaign?
3. Is it actually right that those who conform without a threat, even if late, should be fined for doing the right thing. I mean, shouldn't the fines be directed at the 24/7 offender not the one that happens to have had a memory lapse.





<hr width=100% size=1>John
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The fines are clearly aimed at those who have the means to pay.
I became aware of the situation on New Years Day - and have a vehicle I use about 6 times a year (the rest of the time it is off the road). It is due for tax 1/1 each year and Mot in late December - this year I hadn't got the mot done so I couldn't tax it (or use it). Needless to say it was SORN when the post office opened on the 2nd Jan - would have been interesting if they went after me for the 1st!
They seem to be fed up 'catching' people who can't and won't pay. Because it's computerised they can make it pay.
I have no sympathy for people who use a vehicle on the road untaxed but all that is going to happen now is that everyone will SORN there vehicle then use it - that will be an easier conviction but that's all.
So, specifically -
1. Yes
2. No - the campaign started after the law changed and is no designed to help us avoid breaking the law; simply make sit easier to justify '\we did what we could to draw it to peoples attention'.
3. Long term they are (but watch the SORNs rise!). Memory lapses will be a thing of the past as you will be fined 48 hours after tax expires unrenewed.

btw 25 sounds a good deal - it's supposed to be 80 reduced to 40 on prompt payment.

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The fines are clearly aimed at those who have the means to pay.
I became aware of the situation on New Years Day - and have a vehicle I use about 6 times a year (the rest of the time it is off the road). It is due for tax 1/1 each year and Mot in late December - this year I hadn't got the mot done so I couldn't tax it (or use it). Needless to say it was SORN when the post office opened on the 2nd Jan - would have been interesting if they went after me for the 1st!
They seem to be fed up 'catching' people who can't and won't pay. Because it's computerised they can make it pay.
I have no sympathy for people who use a vehicle on the road untaxed but all that is going to happen now is that everyone will SORN there vehicle then use it - that will be an easier conviction but that's all.
So, specifically -
1. Yes
2. No - the campaign started after the law changed and is no designed to help us avoid breaking the law; simply make sit easier to justify '\we did what we could to draw it to peoples attention'.
3. Long term they are (but watch the SORNs rise!). Memory lapses will be a thing of the past as you will be fined 48 hours after tax expires unrenewed.

btw 25 sounds a good deal - it's supposed to be 80 reduced to 40 on prompt payment.

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Hi John
The way I see it is if your tax is due to run out then you must renew it before it does, otherwise you must send in the S.O.R.N before the tax runs out otherwise you will be liable for the £80.00 fine, The D.V.L.A is now a private company contracting to the Government., There appears to be no grace, and the DVLA are full of Jobs worths!!!!!! I had an old car that was due for the graveyard a few years back it got stolen from my offroad parking subsequently broke down on the Motorway I ended getting fined for the SORN offence as well as no Tax !!!!!!

It is just another "Lets get the Motorist" tactic

Totally, completely, and utterly unfair.

Julian

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I'vegot 2 vehicles on my drive which are untaxed and therefore not used at present. I saw the publicity a few weeks back re SORN which I hadn't done so phoned DVLA and they told me no problem, they'd send the SORN apps in the post and no fines due.

Am about to re-tax one of the cars for a mate to use next week, will be interesting to see what happens.

The bastards in this government seem hell bent on squeezing every last penny they can from motorists who can and will pay any fines the govt can think of.

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Well I've got a whole stash of pieces of eight, but they'll have to get past my sabre first!.

More seriously I've proposed a tax on sails, £10 pa per square foot. Non payers will walk the plank.

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The question who believes the DVL's computor is correct, if it has your data wrong, how do you prove you sent your of road form back ?

Did you see the report of the chap fined for no washer water in his car, while watching TV in the evening.

Brian

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do the SORN at the local post office (no don't start on about them being closed!) and you get an immediate, in your hand, dated and timed, SORN receipt.
you then get another notification from the DVLA
to re tax you use the logbook and have to fill in the tax form rather than the pre populated reminder form.

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off the BBC website >>

Won't wash

The case of motorist Richard Jeffery receives wide coverage.

The Sun among others says police spent half an hour checking Mr Jeffery's car during a patrol of his estate at Wakefield, West Yorkshire.

The only thing they could find wrong was he had no water in his screen washer bottle.

Still, they fined Mr Jeffery £60 and gave him three penalty points on his licence.

Later West Yorkshire Police said the officers may have been overzealous and the fine would be withdrawn.

This was not enough to stop the Daily Express asking: "Has Britain gone mad?"

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Wow, gonna have to make sure my pack of tissues never runs out, or the sweets in the little round tin are always topped up. I can't wait to leave this island.

<hr width=100% size=1>Julian

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Re: All I can say

Is that I used to think I knew who them and us were. Them were all the ragamuffins doing criminal stuff, and us were the Government, The Police, The Customs, Me, and most everyone else.

More and more I'm beginning to think I'm one of "them", and that it's everyone vs. The Police, The Government and The Customs.

Why do they do it to us. Why did I get this stupid fine, it just put my back up. Why did I get raided off Portland by four men in black masks and no badges with portcullae on their helmets and no apology and no thanks. Police State, that's why.

<hr width=100% size=1>John
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