New Sealine T50

[Alistairr]

Not sure if this was discussed while i was away.

But for anyone interested, heres an extract from an e-mail i received from Sealine, while on holiday.

I don't know how to link to a pdf file, so i copied and pasted the text, there is a pic which i'll try to download, save and then try to post.

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New T50 to launch at Southampton Boat Show 2005
Adding a new dimension to the
T-series, Sealine International is
excited to announce that we will
be unveiling our latest luxury motor
yacht – the T50 – at the forthcoming
Southampton Boat Show.
Replacing the award winning T47,
the T50 assumes the sophisticated
style and clean lines of the T60,
sharing the slanted stainless portholes
and forward facing radar arch
made popular by the flagship. However,
while drawing on innovations
from across our Sealine range,
such as SECS (Sealine Extended
Cockpit System), the new fifty
footer’ will also introduce some
unique developments of its own.
Most prominent of all is the T50’s
state-of-the-art new hull created
by leading designer Ocke Mannerfelt
and our in-house design
team. Our second collaboration
with Ocke, (the first of which culminated
in the highly successful
S29) offers a unique approach
to improving performance by encouraging
greater interaction
between the propellers and the
water flow. Improving propeller
efficiency and reducing water resistance
produces a smoother,
stable ride, and when combined
with the engine options available,
the T50 is expected to offer top
speeds of around 30 to 33 knots.
Refinement and spaciousness are
the key features of this luxurious
flybridge cruiser which strives to
maximise functionality without
compromising the light and airy feel.
There is a full beam master cabin,
equal status guest accommodation,
a third Pullman cabin and
crew quarters in the lazerette,
along with two very large separate
toilet and shower compartments.
The generous saloon has
a distinctive raised seating and
entertaining area with more than
6ft 6ins of headroom and is flooded
with light by additional sunroofs
and a deck hatch located
directly above the saloon table.
There is a centrally located galley
and bar both on deck and in
the dining area, and the flybridge
is ideally suited for entertaining
friends and family with a U-shaped
seating area and full range of
amenities including a barbecue grill
and wet bar. The addition of simple
design features, such as the
opening deck hatch located in the
centre of the flybridge; contribute
to making the boat feel infinitely
more sociable for passengers.
Complete with an exclusive range
of fabrics and furnishings, the T50
uses materials such as Corian®
worktops, Wenge wood flooring,
and pear wood furniture
to ensure premium quality
down to the finest details.
Patrik von Sydow, Managing Director
of Sealine International
Ltd, comments on Sealine’s latest
addition to the market. “This
represents another step forward
for Sealine International Ltd, combining
new levels of functionality
with refined styling. The T50 is the
culmination of strengths found
across the Sealine range, with
the addition of unique features
to address customer demands,
which remains the key driver
in our product development.”

Along with the new T50, we will be
exhibiting our full range of boats at
the Southampton boat show, 16 -
25th September. The display will
include the S25, S29/SC29, S38,
S34 Sports Cruisers, the F42/5,
F37, F34 Flybridge Motor Cruisers,
C39 Coupe, and T60 and T52
motor yachts. Visit us at berths
#170 - 176, & 221 - 226.


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Cheers

Ali.

 

[Alistairr]

Ok, heres the image of the pdf.

 

[mjf]

If you ignore the forward facing radar arch the profile is very Manhatten 50 . No?

 

[Wiggo]

Did they just use the deck moulding of an SC29, rather than design a new flybridge?

 

[rickp]

And no F43 at the show. Again. Interesting - wonder if they are lining up a revamp.

Rick

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

V interesting although a bit sick if you've just bought a T47. What exactly does "improving performance by encouraging greater interaction between the propellers and the water" mean?
FWIW, we looked at the T47 earlier this year and I hope they address some of what we saw as weaknesses of the T47, namely the small flybridge and saloon. Also did'nt like the galley opposite the saloon seating. Seems like the same on the T50. What does seem good if the drawings are to be believed is that the mid cabin looks like the master cabin similar to the Manhattan 50 as already commented
Whatever you think about Sealine, a new one is always worth a look because they usually come up with some new design ideas unlike the conservative approach of Fairline and Princess. I hope its a success for them

 

[Wiggo]

[ QUOTE ]
V interesting although a bit sick if you've just bought a T47. What exactly does "improving performance by encouraging greater interaction between the propellers and the water" mean?

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Underwater exhausts dumping ahead of the props, praps?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

F43

Looks like it. I remember the S37 was'nt at the Soton show a couple of years back and then the S38 came out. F43 is getting a bit long in the tooth. First came out as 410 in 1993 if memory serves. Good boat though

 

[Nautical]

Can see where they are coming from but is it just me or does it look a little tubby, ratio of freeboard and superstructure to waterline is a little out for my liking. Still, knowing sealine it will hold a country dancing event with room to spare.

Always thought the 'F's' were great family boats and great value for money but the 'T's never cut it against the likes of Fairline and Princess hence the massive depreciation.

Best of luck with it though, hope it turns out great.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

or IPS?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Sealines have always been good at that which is how they can say their xxx footer is bigger inside and cheaper than anybody else's. A bit of a con IMHO, 50foot boat on a 45foot hull but as long as you realise what you're getting, spose its OK.

 

[jfm]

Erk. Alistair, ask the salesman what hull number they are up to on the T60. If it's going just ok they should be delivering praps #25 about now, with forward orders for more. If they are lower than that, as I suspect, it kinda proves the market doesn't like what they're doing, in which case buying one of these means a big depr hit (as suffered by buyers of the T52s). Has anyone actually seen any/many T60s out and about? I have seen none in French Med, yet I have seen a few Pearls, say, which are supposed to be smaller build number boats than Sealines

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Know for a fact that Pearl have not built as many as 25 boats in total of any size but I was impressed with the Pearl 55 at Soton and Excel. Rather fab. In fact I'd much rather have that the Sealine T60 or T50

 

[[2068]]

Hmm, not keen. It's just the styling - the Pearls look a little heavy around the stern: that bulging rump reminds me of a Mini convertible, or maybe someone wearing jeans that are a bit too tight.

dv.

 

[jfm]

Yup that's right. Squadron 58 sells 26-28/year, Sq55 sold more than that. Phantom 50 is 20-24/year. If it's cutting any mustard the Sealine T60 ought to be at hull #25 ish by now. But I suspect they aren't, and I haven't seen any around

Pearl is as you say a much smaller capacity builder, only a few each year of each model. Yet I see more of them around than T60, which tells me anecdotally that the T60 just isn't selling, though would be quite happy to eat my words and be proved wrong. Does anyone on the forum have a T60 in commission in their marina? Sealines above 50feet are just depreciation disasters, have been for years. They make stuff which they think is good but no-one in their potential customer pool agrees. Whereas sub-50foot they make stuff the market wants to buy.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yeah but what are they supposed to do? There's ever increasing competition in the sub 40' market so the only way is up if they want to maintain growth. In fact they have been steadily pushing up market for years. 15-20yrs ago they didnt have any boats in the 40-50' market but now they're serious players so the 50-60' market should be achievable. The T series boats are not bad boats per se, they just have a bit of an image problem which they have to address. Maybe they should go down the Lexus route and create a different brand altogether

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Its got a big arse 'coz its got a big aft cabin which none of the others have. Anyway, I'm not sure the tight jeans analogy works. I can think of one or two comely females whose jeans can't be tight enough

 

[Nick_H]

Perhaps the answer is you can't be all things to all people. The other 3 big british builders have increased the size of their largest boats but they've taken models out at the bottom end to support a more upmarket brand image. Same happens with cars - Ford gave up selling the Scorpio 'cos they couldn't sell them against BMW's, VW sells hardly any Phaetons, and there's little doubt that Mercedes image has been weakened by pushing out a bunch of small cars, some of which had to be discontinued 'cos nobody bought them (seen many Vaneo's around?) Maybe Sealine should focus on being the best in the 25-50 ft class.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Trouble is that the 25-50 footer class will become steadily more competitive as lower cost producers move upwards from the bottom end of the market. Building boats in Poland, Turkey or even Spain is a lot cheaper than the UK. 10yrs ago we did'nt buy Skodas, Seats or Hyundais but now we do without a thought. It'll be the same with boats especially in the lower and medium size markets where Sealine are strongest
They will either have to compete on price which probably means moving some of their production to lower cost countries or, as they have been trying to do, move upmarket where the market is less price sensitive. The challenge is to move the brand image upmarket as well which is not easy
Btw, no criticism of Sealine here. I've had 3 of them and 2 were excellent

 

[jfm]

I agree they should go bigger and upmarket. I also dont think they have an image problem. The Sealine brand is ok imho despite some specific duff products, specifically their bigger stuff. If they got these products right people would buy them. I still think their aft cockpit aft cabin combo in the mid-40s boats is brilliant, but they have gone wrong with T60 and 50

So where I disagree with you is that I think theses specific boats ARE bad boats per se. The T60 isnt selling and just isn't a patch on the Sq58 (which is 2001 vintage). The fact they aren't selling means I'm not the only one who thinks this. The T60 is full of really bad design and fitout features and they need to stop doing boats the way they think they should be and deliver what the market wants. I dunno but there are praps fewer than 5000 or 1000 people in the European market who will actually buy a new 60footer in the next few years. Praps Sealine should askem why they all think the t60 is so bad.