New rule for col regs in the solent - Official

[RAI]

Just another example of how the all powerful nanny state is running our lives

What! Not Brussels doing it then?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

What! Not Brussels doing it then?

I'm sure it's them who insist on the hi vis jackets

 

[RAI]

I'm sure it's them who insist on the hi vis jackets

Hey, Do you have to carry your own breathalyser kits? Or is that just a continental thing?

 

[l'escargot]

Only goes to show why we shouldn't give these peak capped little Nazis more power. When I first started boating, it was largely unburdened by bureaucracy and authority. A harbour master got a dory and if he was lucky a tiny little outboard motor to push it along. Now they've got incredibly expensive fast RIBS, speed guns, hi viz jackets and a whole bunch of new regulations to make boaters lives a misery and all at our cost. Just another example of how the all powerful nanny state is running our lives

Probably in those days there were no RIBs, very few,if any, big planing powerboats and the HM was up against people with British Seagulls, displacement motorboats, and sailing boats with canvas sails...

 

[Rocksteadee]

Is this ruling for real?

 

[l'escargot]

Is this ruling for real?

Absolutely not. Col Regs apply in the Solent.

 

[Rocksteadee]

Absolutely not. Col Regs apply in the Solent.

Good job as they are the rules I steer by

I think there is a colreg which states "unless superseded by local by laws" but was not aware of one for the Solent in that regard
Also note that the channel marked going into southampton water from the Solent to the west of bramble bank used to be a prohibited area now just called a precautionary area, possibly as most used to ignore it anyway, if they were aware of it even

 

[l'escargot]

Good job as they are the rules I steer by

I think there is a colreg which states "unless superseded by local by laws" but was not aware of one for the Solent in that regard
Also note that the channel marked going into southampton water from the Solent to the west of bramble bank used to be a prohibited area now just called a precautionary area, possibly as most used to ignore it anyway, if they were aware of it even

There is no overall authority for "The Solent". QHM has most of the east, Soton VTS has most of the centre and Soton Water and nobody has most of the west. Individual HMs have lots of little bits. The precautionary area has been just that as long as I can remember with only a moving prohibited area when large ships move through it - escort boats generally ensure it isn't ignored.

 

[alant]

Absolutely not. Col Regs apply in the Solent.

Ask a marine lawyer first.

IRPCS - International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea.
The Solent is classified as C & D waters, not Sea.
https://www.gov.uk/inland-waterways-and-categorisation-of-waters

"‘Inland waters’ includes any area of water not categorised as ‘sea’ - eg canals, tidal and non-tidal rivers, lakes, and some estuarial waters (an arm of sea that extends inland to meet the mouth of a river)."

Just a thought, for the forum to discuss!

 

[l'escargot]

Ask a marine lawyer first.

IRPCS - International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea.
The Solent is classified as C & D waters, not Sea.
https://www.gov.uk/inland-waterways-and-categorisation-of-waters

"‘Inland waters’ includes any area of water not categorised as ‘sea’ - eg canals, tidal and non-tidal rivers, lakes, and some estuarial waters (an arm of sea that extends inland to meet the mouth of a river)."

Just a thought, for the forum to discuss!

I don't think you could successfully argue that Col Regs don't apply in the Solent (or a harbour, or a tidal river) and indeed, there have been numerous prosecutions for them being breached in the Solent - one very recently.

Edit

And there is of course also this bit in Rule 1 of Col Regs:

" (a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels...."

 

[grumpy_o_g]

Ask a marine lawyer first.

IRPCS - International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea.
The Solent is classified as C & D waters, not Sea.
https://www.gov.uk/inland-waterways-and-categorisation-of-waters

"‘Inland waters’ includes any area of water not categorised as ‘sea’ - eg canals, tidal and non-tidal rivers, lakes, and some estuarial waters (an arm of sea that extends inland to meet the mouth of a river)."

Just a thought, for the forum to discuss!

Parts of the Solent are, such as Cowes, Southampton, etc. but not the Solent itself. https://mcanet.mcga.gov.uk/public/c4/cat-waters/search_map.asp?tk=CS

 

[superheat6k]

Ask a marine lawyer first.

IRPCS - International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea.
The Solent is classified as C & D waters, not Sea.
https://www.gov.uk/inland-waterways-and-categorisation-of-waters

"‘Inland waters’ includes any area of water not categorised as ‘sea’ - eg canals, tidal and non-tidal rivers, lakes, and some estuarial waters (an arm of sea that extends inland to meet the mouth of a river)."

Just a thought, for the forum to discuss!

Well not only does the Solent taste like seawater, I have seen and sailed in waves well above 5m in the Solent, so not sure that complies with category D, and certainly not C.

It is the case that as far of direction of buoyage is concerned the Solent is treated as two rivers - look at the direction of buoyage marks on the charts and indeed the colours and hands the major marker buoys are on in the Eastern and western Solent.

Can I suggest that we do not start falling for this nonsense the Solent is somehow not the sea, otherwise the next thing from the EU Dictatorship will an army of Bigwigs insisting we all require BSS certificate as well as the ridiculous RCD that already plagues us.