New Marina in Bay of Cannes?

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Inwards have sent me a flyer about a new marina, anyone know any details, or exactly where it is?

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Nick_H said:
Inwards have sent me a flyer about a new marina, anyone know any details, or exactly where it is?
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Thanks. Interesting stuff. I dunno anything and will ask around this weekend. There's plenty of space, twixt LaNap and Cannes, just to the East of Mandalieu airport, so that's where they'd build it I guess

Normally (well, in the recent builds during the 80s) they ask berth buyers to put money up and when they have enough in the kitty they build the marina. In other words it is finaced by its first berth holders. This is how Golfe Juan (Camille Rayon) was built, for example, and they usually get a couple of billionaires to stump up big cheques in return for the big berths (eg All Sevens's berth in GJ). In this case they say "escrow" and you'd want to understnad what that means, but if it is a real escrow then I guess they will borrow to build the port and the existence of the escrowed berthholder money (which gets released to the port to repay the bank loans, once the port is finished) will be an element of what makes the lenders happy to lend.

But of course it's all about location. To the E of Manda airport isn't bad but it's nowhere near as good as Antibes or even LaNap in terms of quick road sprint to/from the airport, nor will it have the sophistication of Mole Sud, :-), so I'm not hot to trot to this new place. Do you have any financials? Have you emailed Inwards to ask?
 
jhr said:
Looks like it's the Marina du Soleil?, in which case, Mandelieu.

Not the most glamorous of surroundings, and it looks as if it's still at the concept stage, but it's the Cote d'Azur, so......

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Thanks. If it's where your map shows, then it's even further inland than the existing inland mandalieu marina which you get to by going up a river that starts just east of LaNap marina. It only takes small boats becuase of the height limits of the road bridges. So this new one will have the same height limits, plus it's right next to the airport (not that it's busy as it only takes small/medium private jets).

And there was me thinking they were going to build a proper unrestricted access port on the coast with a new breakwater etc, as they did with LaNap! Note to self: dream on
 
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But of course it's all about location. To the E of Manda airport isn't bad but it's nowhere near as good as Antibes or even LaNap in terms of quick road sprint to/from the airport, nor will it have the sophistication of Mole Sud, :-), so I'm not hot to trot to this new place. Do you have any financials? Have you emailed Inwards to ask?
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Satellite location image, from the website. Looks like it's west of the airport and next to a dry stack facility. I'm not familiar with the area either, so don't know how it rates though it doesn't look to have the immediate appeal of Port Vauban :).

Mole Sud? Pah! Le tout Antibes chic keep their craft in the small fishing boat moorings, as is well known :).
 
I've emailed Inwards for some more info. No response yet but I'll post when I get something.
 
Got that too but isn't there one major prob with this location and that is the height of the road bridges over the river? We berthed in La Nap for a year and I seem to remember that only sports cruisers can get up the river. I could be wrong on this. Looks a bit shallow at the entrance too
 
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Got that too but isn't there one major prob with this location and that is the height of the road bridges over the river? We berthed in La Nap for a year and I seem to remember that only sports cruisers can get up the river. I could be wrong on this. Looks a bit shallow at the entrance too
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No, you're right. There is a height restriction becuase of the roads. The current inland marina, which this new one will be upstream of, definitely wont take flybridges or sailboats and is mostly 20-odd footer mobos

I's be amazed if a t47 will get up there woodie! Also, they haven't even started building it so it'll be years of their 30-hour working weeks before you can actually park a boat there :-)
 
Yes it was originally planned to be up the Siagne ... close to the dry stack ("Port du Sec") if I was told correctly ... There are 30 - 40 footers already in the Time-Share/Apartment complex there but that is about it. There is plenty of room around there ( take the little back road) from La Nap to C-M airport.

I havent seen any plans - nor looked for them -- but wouldn't have thought it was a rival to existing facilities and wouldnt add any larger berths .. anyone spoken to Inwards ???
 
I have the brochure in a .pdf if anyone is interested, pm me.

It's inland so a bit of a trek down to the Bay of Cannes, looks like next to the dry stack as others have said.

The fact it's inland means there are height (4m) and draft (1.5m) restrictions. Also, there's only 10x3.8m (lots), 12x4.25m (even more) and 15x5m (a few) berths.

The mix of berths seems a bit strange to me as I would have thought you would have made it to suit people who come in on their private jets to Mandelieu as the marina is literally next door! You wouldn't be able to get their craft in and out though....

Prices look pretty good for a 30 yr lease, but you have the hassle of the trek in and out and the risks in the interim of the build (as jfm says, need to work out who holds the ecrow if that is how they do it)...
 
just seen your post jfm, you're absolutely right, the 4m height restriction rules it out (the T47 has a transport height of 4.5m so we wouldn't fit).

I also agree with you on the convenience factor vs. Antibes and after spending a season in Puerto Solente and 2 in Mahon, I don't have a lot of desire to go into another port with a run before you get out to sea in any case.

Certainly not the chic of Mole Sud, where our T47 has unfortunately been only a brief interloper (we got stuck on all the fishing lines jhr and had to move.....)
 
woodie1000 said:
just seen your post jfm, you're absolutely right, the 4m height restriction rules it out (the T47 has a transport height of 4.5m so we wouldn't fit).
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Transport height is not your air draft. TH includes the stuff below the waterline, with rudders and props removed. But it also assumes radar/gantry removed. If your TH is 4.5m it's touch and go if you'd be under 4.5m air draft. You might, just

Frankly it's not a great location. It's the sort of place you'd expect a B+Q to be built. I don't agree your comment about making it appeal to the private jet brigade: they sure don't want their boats parked in an industrial estate when there are glamorous places just up the road, and their boats are generally >15x5 :-)

You need to buy a Mole Sud slot. You know it makes sense! (If I could find a 23x6 to buy, you'd be welcome to my berth, btw)
 
jfm said:
Frankly it's not a great location. It's the sort of place you'd expect a B+Q to be built. I don't agree your comment about making it appeal to the private jet brigade: they sure don't want their boats parked in an industrial estate
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Yes, Im not going to get many plaudits here, but anyone who is seriously considering should wait until mid-summer and visit for themselves..... the 'niff' in the vicinity in recent years had to be smelt to be believed. Im not sure what the problem is/was ??
when there are glamorous places just up the road,
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Exactly ... La Rague ... the jewel in the crown of Cd'A marinas..:D
 
Rivet in the crown

EME said:
the 'niff' in the vicinity in recent years had to be smelt to be believed. Im not sure what the problem is/was ??
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I'm sure. Same as Cagnes SM seafront. It's a million visitors filling up all the hotels and all crapping down the same "main" sewerage system which is about 4inches diameter

When a developer in some places wants to build a block of flats or whatever he er might come to an arrangement with an official in the plannign department and then wehey there's a building permit. No-one stops to upgrade the town's infrastructure to cope with all the extra toilet paper that has to be disposed of.

EME said:
La Rague ... the jewel in the crown of Cd'A marinas..:D
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:-)
 
jfm, we're 5.15m including lights on mast (so my web search says) so it's a no go I think.

I agree, I wouldn't really want to be down there - although I don't know the exact spot very well. We went to La Napoule (which would be much nicer than this anyway) and didn't like it nearly as much as Vauban / Antibes. If the spot is in the industrial hinterland behind Cannes then it's a definite no go - we drove through there a couple of times last summer and it's not pleasant!

I always keep an eye out for berths in case of a bargain or having to leave Vauban.

We'd love a Mole Sud berth! It just works out as a huge amount per annum at current prices unless the amodiation is extended at a good rate.......
 
very kind of you jfm - I will start searching for a bargain 23x6m then!
 
On the subject of Med marinas.
Talking to our new marina manager earlier this week.
He has taken over from Neil, (the previous guy) who, I'm told, is now heading up MDL's move into the Med.

It seems to me that MDL is "partnering" with other marinas as well as running their own.
This latest is on the east coast of Italy but I believe there are going to be more.

Here's a link to their latest
http://www.marinadeicesari.it/eng/
Link taken directly from the MDL website.
 
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