New Hardy 40

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I'm liking the look of this...

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MBY news item: http://www.mby.com/news/534934/new-40ds-to-give-hardy-a-modern-twist
 
That a very nice looking boat
Looking forward to seeing more artist impressions and layout options
I believe they have a winner on their hands as long as they come in at a competetive price
Well done Andrew
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rafiki_ said:
That's extra. :)
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who needs a flybridge, we never have the weather for one of those.... ;-)


as far as the design goes, looks great. Really hope it does well, had a chat to one of the windboats directors a couple of months ago and he said there were new designs around the corner. Also planning a number of interior re-designs/modernising on existing models.. I hope good times ahead for a high quality British boat builder.
 
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Firefly625 said:
who needs a flybridge, we never have the weather for one of those.... ;-)


as far as the design goes, looks great. Really hope it does well, had a chat to one of the windboats directors a couple of months ago and he said there were new designs around the corner. Also planning a number of interior re-designs/modernising on existing models.. I hope good times ahead for a high quality British boat builder.
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That's good, because as much as I like the bigger hardy boats (36 and 42 especially) the interiors seriously let them down. They need to look at what aqua star did with the 42 panoramic and up their game in a similar way.

The new 40 looks good, but I'd like to see an aft cabin version as this one seems to have very small accommodation for what will no doubt be a very very high price.
 
Very similar look to their new 62 so this seems like the new Hardy house style and I like it too. IMHO there's a growing market for boats that are as comfortable at D speed as well as SD speed but with a modern style and Hardy can tap into that market
 
oldgit said:
Lets hope they avoid the fate of Broom.
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Had a call from somebody seriously interested in the new Hardy and wanted briefing prior to visiting SIBS.

When I looked at the spec sheet I was flabbergasted......Yanmar 6LYA3 440. Do these people know nothing! 6LYA2 440 had no peers in its time and sold like hot cakes. Nobody had a package to match it. When Tier II emissions came along replaced nice engine with 6LYA3 a complete dog. White smokes on start up, mega expensive fuel system, reportedly £4k for a fuel pump only available from distributor, other parts with punitive pricing, universally disliked in U.S. and sales dwindled to a trickle as a result. Due to small volumes sold, parts stock is poor with lead times on Japan. January 2014 U.S. goes Tier III and LYA3 does not meet this emissions level therefore product is pretty much dead. What does Hardy do............Launch new model with engine on production run out, perform expensive RCD drive by noise certification, what is in their heads, they deserve to fail, also in just a few short years owner will be saddled with expensive liability whilst boat still shiny new.

The old company pulled the same trick, by fitting the unproven MAN R6 550, proved to be a real MANgrenade and after just two years it was withdrawn from the market with only about six engines sold in the UK. Once again owners with modern vessel face potentially eye watering depreciation on a vessel just a few years old.
 
LS1, whilst you on the subject of MANgrenades, what do you know about the MAN D2840 V10 engine, in particular the LE403 1050hp version?
 
Latestarter1 said:
When I looked at the spec sheet I was flabbergasted......Yanmar 6LYA3 440. Do these people know nothing!
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LOL, actually you can see that happening every day in this industry, LS.
Most often than not, it has much more to see with the wish to pay peanuts (hence accepting to get monkeys) for each and every equipment required to screw together a boat, rather than with technical considerations... :)
 
I hope the team at Hardy read this. They usually design their boats to take a range of engines and durability is part of their proposition so I hope this isn't corner cutting. I wish them success with this boat although I suspect it will be very expensive
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Had a call from somebody seriously interested in the new Hardy and wanted briefing prior to visiting SIBS.

When I looked at the spec sheet I was flabbergasted......Yanmar 6LYA3 440. Do these people know nothing! 6LYA2 440 had no peers in its time and sold like hot cakes. Nobody had a package to match it. When Tier II emissions came along replaced nice engine with 6LYA3 a complete dog. White smokes on start up, mega expensive fuel system, reportedly £4k for a fuel pump only available from distributor, other parts with punitive pricing, universally disliked in U.S. and sales dwindled to a trickle as a result. Due to small volumes sold, parts stock is poor with lead times on Japan. January 2014 U.S. goes Tier III and LYA3 does not meet this emissions level therefore product is pretty much dead. What does Hardy do............Launch new model with engine on production run out, perform expensive RCD drive by noise certification, what is in their heads, they deserve to fail, also in just a few short years owner will be saddled with expensive liability whilst boat still shiny new.

The old company pulled the same trick, by fitting the unproven MAN R6 550, proved to be a real MANgrenade and after just two years it was withdrawn from the market with only about six engines sold in the UK. Once again owners with modern vessel face potentially eye watering depreciation on a vessel just a few years old.
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stuartwineberg said:
I hope the team at Hardy read this. They usually design their boats to take a range of engines and durability is part of their proposition so I hope this isn't corner cutting. I wish them success with this boat although I suspect it will be very expensive
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I will hope to meet Oliver james tomorrow and will ask him what he thinks, will let you know his response.
 
6LYA2 was a package i.e envelope and performance which products from Cat, Cummins or Volvo could not match, sadly Tier II emissions slung Yanmar under a bus!

Base engine is small volume and cost of development was megabucks, so Yanmar opted for cheaper dumb pump smart governor approach with simple two stage injectors. As no high volume producer, Diesel Kikki, or Denso was interested Yanmar did their own thing which resulted in a fuel system only supportable by the dealer network and represents eye watering cost to repair. The extra weight of the upgrade from LYA2 to LYA3 totally eroded the weight advantage over the competition.

Worst of all LYA3 smokes on start up! Better than LYA2 but that is no great claim to fame when competition has zero visible smoke on start up. AFC response is dialed in by way of service diagnostic tool, if you are getting a black transom requires visit from service tech with laptop to trim AFC response, five settings if I remember correctly. Typical of half baked quasi electronic engine.

Questions to ask:

Total population of LYA3's in U.K. can be engines imported installed in vessels or loose engines sold since LYA3 was launched, careful to differentiate between LYA2 and 3. Also why has distributor not shown this engine at recent exhibitions?

Dealership capability...How many dealers in U.K. have the specific electronic service tooling to support this engine? Perhaps another support question, how many dealers trained up on the engine. I have the the training package, and it is complex.

Once the main market for this engine, USA is closed to Yanmar i.e. this coming January what are specific plans for redundancy, this engine is marinised at plant in U.S. once sales end in U.S. what point in continued production there?

Ask for a basket of parts pricing, starting with oil air and fuel filters then samples of larger non consumable items, raw water pump, Injectors, Fuel pump, cylinder head exhaust manifold, charge air cooler, heat exchanger. Most importantly what is dealer level parts stocking and for the above major components what is % age parts holding, UK distributor, PDC Belgium, PDC in U.S.A or Japan.

You require verifiable facts, not just a few words.........
 
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Quasi electronic engine with poorly designed AFC control.

Take a look at this..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f0YpFDsqs0&feature=channel_video_title

Australian re-power replacing Detroit 8V92's, extreme example of sport fisher and guy on the helm is a real throttle jockey.

Owner of vessel thought that replacing his smokey old Detroits with latest latest generation following highly regarded 6LYA engines turned out to be big fat flop, start up white smoke was little better than his Detroit strokers. Hole shot performance of the Yanmars is great if you accept the black smoke, call tec out to adjust AFC response with service tool and engines become a flat a witches tit!

Seems like Oliver chose motors having done zero reserch.
 
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