New Ferretti

[Portofino]

Ferretti Security Division use the Itama Fifty with 22 degrees deep Vee deadrise for this special purpose boat designed for the Italian Carabinieri, which will replace the C800. Engnies 2 x Man i6 800hp with V-drive line shaft driving four bladed propellers. 31 knots top speed range 240 nm. 22 knots range 300 nm. Sixteen have been ordered.
It’s a hybrid with batteries and motors ( 2x Kw ) for navigation in environmental sensitive or built up areas .


I recognise the cockpit door way and the saloon area .
The original Itama 50 had the V 8 800 s no superstructure ( open ) , no batteries or hybrid paraphernalia and was a lot quicker.

Nice accolade.

 

[Mr Googler]

A Bayliner hull have been selected for this offshore fishing vessel. The hull has 5 degree dead rise and is ready for adventures on the high seas. With a hard top addition, protection from the elements is guaranteed. High rails around the bow provide further safety.

Nice accolade

 

[Mr Googler]

Bayliner have once again been selected for this ingenious project. A hydrofoil system has been installed for navigation in environmental sensitive areas

Nice accolade

 

[Portofino]

More here , read the future Hybridisation of fast mobos .It’s topic thats not going away .
In a way the Italian gov are acting as mules for Ferretti .Some trickledown should occur I would think ?
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/n800-the-new-carabinieri-fast-patrol-vessel-by-fsd

 

[Portofino]

@ Mr Googler its winter and this forums degenerating into Volvo penta woes Thanks for 9issing my parade .
Thought it would be interesting, I was wrong will not bother next time and leave you all to moan about VP .

it’s a pity the few U.K. fast mobo boat builders left are slow out of the blocks .
As said nice to have gov support .Maybe with all this rubber dinghy stuff and impending fishing policing + the green agenda ( all ready announced for cars ) it would be nice for them to go hybrid .

Which governments or public authorities are buying those Bayliner examples btw ?

N 800 s off to Lampudusa btw .

Here another example of Italian problem solving

 

[Mr Googler]

@Portofino....lighten up. It’s winter and people need help with their issues.

The forum is a bit thin on humour so my posts giving you a bit of stick are meant in jest.

Itama are the best boats for any circumstance and any sea condition....happier? ???

 

[andy59]

@Portofino....lighten up. It’s winter and people need help with their issues.

The forum is a bit thin on humour so my posts giving you a bit of stick are meant in jest.

Itama are the best boats for any circumstance and any sea condition....happier? ???

Yeah, agreed, but only if the exhaust gas temps are stable

 

[MapisM]

More here , read the future Hybridisation of fast mobos .It’s topic thats not going away .
In a way the Italian gov are acting as mules for Ferretti .Some trickledown should occur I would think ?
N800: the new Carabinieri Fast Patrol Vessel by FSD - EDR Magazine

According to the linked article, a FSD captain was at the helm during the seatrial.
Makes me wonder if he knew, while pushing WOT, why the plotter was displaying a red warning signal that translates as "ENGINE CHECK!".
And by translate, I mean literally, exclamation mark included...

 

[Mr Googler]

According to the linked article, a FSD captain was at the helm during the seatrial.
Makes me wonder if he knew, while pushing WOT, why the plotter was displaying a red warning signal that translates as "ENGINE CHECK!".
And by translate, I mean literally, exclamation mark included...

EGT’s no doubt....dodgy hull design ??

ps.....joke

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

According to the linked article, a FSD captain was at the helm during the seatrial.
Makes me wonder if he knew, while pushing WOT, why the plotter was displaying a red warning signal that translates as "ENGINE CHECK!".

German engines, when you need them they always fail.

 

[MapisM]

The original Itama 50 had the V 8 800 s no superstructure ( open ) , no batteries or hybrid paraphernalia and was a lot quicker.

Porto, your above statement made me curious enough to google around a bit.
I found that the declared speed of the Fifty is 35 kts, but a couple of Italian magazines were only able to reach 33, and not even at full load.
Now, on one hand, that actually makes the 31.7 of the patrol version rather impressive.
Otoh, with exactly the same power of my larger, heavier and sedate boat, the original Fifty can achieve exactly the same max speed.
Hardly something to write home about, I reckon.
Shame that Buzzi isn't around anymore, to design and build proper patrol boats.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

The 46/50 did 36/38 knots with Man 800hp. Lets not forget her weight was a staggering
This model although one of the most preferred, over 50 hulls where made in nine years, was never a speed demon.
As efficiency goes a 54 with 1000hp Man old lumps can do about 7.5 per nm at 25 knots, while the 56 can do about 8.2 per nm at about the same speed.
A 46/50 will do about 7 litre per nm.

 

[Portofino]

Porto, your above statement made me curious enough to google around a bit.
I found that the declared speed of the Fifty is 35 kts, but a couple of Italian magazines were only able to reach 33, and not even at full load.
Now, on one hand, that actually makes the 31.7 of the patrol version rather impressive.
Otoh, with exactly the same power of my larger, heavier and sedate boat, the original Fifty can achieve exactly the same max speed.
Hardly something to write home about, I reckon.
Shame that Buzzi isn't around anymore, to design and build proper patrol boats.

It’s the hull ride quality they are after .
Amarti made them bespoke to order ,even with Arnies to 42 knots with the fifty .

This is the nearest comparison to your 800 Hp DP 56 size wise .Seeing as you show a heathy interest


It’s the 60 but really the 54/56 hull.Yours has 800 s this has 1550 s on Arnies .Amarti made two.Its a 50 + knot boat fwiw
It later under evolved into the 55 / 62 with 1360s on std shafts to 40 knots +

Imagine guess you can only dream of a DP 56 with 1360 hp s or the mighty 1550 s on Arnies ,
Its a reality in Itama world

 

[MapisM]

As efficiency goes a 54 with 1000hp Man old lumps can do about 7.5 per nm at 25 knots

W, out of idle curiosity, do you possibly know what sort of numbers should be expected by the DD powered 54 of old?
There's one of them in my yard, but I never asked the owner anything about her.

 

[MapisM]

you can only dream of a DP 56 with 1360 hp s or the mighty 1550 s on Arnies,
Its a reality in Itama world

That's my idea of a nightmare, rather than a dream.

Besides, who cares about ride quality, when I can't be bothered to jump out of bed when waves are more than one foot high?
And it ain't a matter of brand, mind: nobody in his right mind would choose ANY planing boat for cruising in rough seas with a passable ride quality, period.

 

[Portofino]

Here are the 54 specs from 95 and 56 from 97 .
No mention of DD ,that’s not to say he did not build on if requested .

 

[Portofino]

That's my idea of a nightmare, rather than a dream.

Besides, who cares about ride quality, when I can't be bothered to jump out of bed when waves are more than one foot high?
And it ain't a matter of brand, mind: nobody in his right mind would choose ANY planing boat for cruising in rough seas with a passable ride quality, period.

Hang you are speaking with a forked tongue In the sense wanting to resurrect Buzzi to design a carbinieri boat presume because the previous outgoing had his buzzi surface drives for speed , then on the other hand theses guys can not pick n choose when they go out ( within reason ) it’s there professional job .So ride quality imho has swung it ....they will be out in rough seas and planing the sweet spot is high twenties in waves .
The earlier Amarti boats cruise mid thirties in waves .That’s the appeal of the hulls .

 

[MapisM]

So ride quality imho has swung it

To put it politely, let's say that neither of us can know for sure what swung it, and we can only make guesses.
But mine is that ride quality had nothing to see with that, because FB boats are even more famous than Itamas in this respect - on top of their speed/efficiency/safety (self-righting, built in structural foam and unsinkable, etc.).
You can't establish a NYC-Bermuda world record with a 41' boat, averaging 40 kts, with a hull that can't handle waves, you know...

 

[Portofino]

Yeh wonder how FB lost the contract ?
Does that not elevate the recipient‘s accolade .

Fought off FB .

Aside the whys and wherefores of contract awards which in Italy lets face it have .....let me put it politely = have multiple facets , I do not think the coppers riding the N800 series will be disappointed.

 

[MapisM]

I don't know if FB Design engaged in this tender or not.
But I think that while by now they are far from being a one man band, their founder still was a key driving force.
And I'm afraid that his sad loss will also affect the business, to some extent.

Anyway, I didn't say that anyone will be disappointed - the boat does look solid, as far as I can tell.
In this specific case, I would rather argue about the real need of having a naval department at all, within the Carabinieri corp.
In fact, we already have the CG and the GdF patrolling our coasts.
From this perspective, whether these boats are built by FB or Ferretti is irrelevant, sort of.

But this is a totally different matter, of course - more political than anything else.