New Fairline Squadron 53

henryf said:
I suspect that was the problem with the T53. Had there been a plywood space to clamber round it wouldn't have been signed off.
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Apparently not. It was a straight business decision
 
henryf said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. There is nothing to beat being physically inside a space. You won't realise that step is just too high or you catch your hip on the edge of a surface when wearing your virtual reality goggles. This is particularly the case when dealing with a small complex space like a boat.

You're a braver man than me if you bet your mortgage on a boat and the first time you see it in the flesh is when punters ike me crawl all over it. You put yourself at a massive disadvantage if you only have virtual reality but your customer has reality.

I suspect that was the problem with the T53. Had there been a plywood space to clamber round it wouldn't have been signed off.

Henry
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Come and have a look at our VR suite H. I don't think Fairline did any real engineering on the original 53 Fly. They had run out of money, so were trying to make do and mend. Our impression of new Fairline could not be more different.

By the way, how many cardboard and ply models do you think Porsche make? Yes, they build a few clay bucks, purely to validate the Alius models, and to get a degree of comfort factor.
 
Deleted User said:
Ahem, I think you'll find that Ferretti patented this many years ago by the simple expedient of making their boats fatter (without making them taller)
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How true.
Among all boats I've seen during my recent searches, Ferrettis never fail to impress in terms of width, for any given length!
 
On the galley aft layout, I'm trying to understand the seating. The larger area is opposite the galley and the TV is on the back of the return unit ? - with a smaller dinette opposite the helm (presuming no where for a TV there)? Wouldn't ideally the main sofa/tv be further inside the boat and the dinette closer to the galley ?
 
Whitelighter said:
4 cabins in 53ft looks like a winner to me.
Galley aft with saloon and dinette also very good.

Shane I don't have £1m to blow on a boat
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With the four cab, you'd have to have the galley up which leaves one and a half sofas (galley forward) or two (galley aft) to seat all of the cabin occupants if everyone's inside. I guess that would work for families with teenagers stropping out on their beds. In fact, given that many potential buyers will have that sort of family arrangement it could well be a stroke of genius, as you say. :D
 
rafiki_ said:
Come and have a look at our VR suite H. I don't think Fairline did any real engineering on the original 53 Fly. They had run out of money, so were trying to make do and mend. Our impression of new Fairline could not be more different.

By the way, how many cardboard and ply models do you think Porsche make? Yes, they build a few clay bucks, purely to validate the Alius models, and to get a degree of comfort factor.
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I will have to take you at your word re: the VR suite. I still think being able to stand together in a space and discuss it adds value. Are you saving much money doing it in VR by the time you've invested in all the kit and paid the upgrade fees for V 3.1.7, 8 and 9 ?

Henry :)
 
Deleted User said:
Ahem, I think you'll find that Ferretti patented this many years ago by the simple expedient of making their boats fatter (without making them taller);) It was the chalk and cheese comparison between a Phantom 46 v Princess 45 v Ferretti 46 that made us buy the Ferretti some years ago. I see that Princess has gone down the other route by making their boats taller to achieve greater internal volume and I'm not sure thats as good an idea
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Not through lack of trying at the Boat Shows when they used to exhibit in the UK I never managed to get inside one to judge. The sales prevention team were hard at work keeping people like me out. Possibly that's why they went out of business, who knows?

Henry :)
 
henryf said:
Oh you are a funny man :)
I'm not sure any of the 2 plus 2 sports cars are what you would call beautiful. You need to insert a bit of car when visually it doesn't want to be.
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Sorry if I stroke a nerve... :)
Actually, I must admit that I saw this coming (sort of), after I recently highlighted your own "visually challenging" definition for the very same thing.
But I just couldn't resist, after reading rafiki's reply to your post on mock-ups... :p

Anyway, even if I would agree that 2+2 sport cars are a bit of a designer challenge, I hope you will also agree that some folks down here in IT did nail that a bit better than in Stuttgart! :D
 
henryf said:
Possibly that's why they went out of business, who knows?
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Trust me, there are much better/stronger reasons, well worth of a proper HBR article, which could well be used as a textbook from many other builders.
Brit builders included - bar none.
 
henryf said:
I will have to take you at your word re: the VR suite. I still think being able to stand together in a space and discuss it adds value. Are you saving much money doing it in VR by the time you've invested in all the kit and paid the upgrade fees for V 3.1.7, 8 and 9 ?

Henry :)
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F/l don't need to invest in the VR kit or capability. They can rent it when they need to.
 
petem said:
Before JFM beats me to it, the expression is "strike a nerve" so past tense would be "struck".

Of course, could be a typo on your behalf!
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Guilty as charged, it wasn't a typo.
Good thing that I just finished my coffee before reading this, anyway.
Your "before jfm beats me" indeed made me ROTFL..... :D :D :D
 
Not to derail this thread completely but one 2 plus 2 that I think is actually quite beautiful is the old Lotus Elan +2, designed and built in Britain as well.

henryf said:
Oh you are a funny man :)

I'm not sure any of the 2 plus 2 sports cars are what you would call beautiful. You need to insert a bit of car when visually it doesn't want to be.

Henry :)
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Richard.C said:
Not to derail this thread completely but one 2 plus 2 that I think is actually quite beautiful is the old Lotus Elan +2, designed and built in Britain as well.
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That doesn't count I'm afraid. It compares to the 911 not the Panamera which has 4 passenger doors. My bad choice of English, I should have said 4 / 5 door sports saloons.

As for striking a nerve even I have to admit to the fact that the Panamera has more of a child's beauty in the eye of its own parents. A phenomenal bit of kit though.

I have no doubt that Feretti's problems were more deep rooted but it didn't help that they turned people away having spent all that money on a stand. I can still remember the conversation to this day. I even turned round and made absolutely sure they were happy sending me away. There was no one else on the stand, just a guy and 3 girls.

It took me 40 minutes to buy our first Princess because we were so familiar with them having been on loads at the various shows even though at the time we never expected to buy one new.


Henry :)
 
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