New Boat, Swedish Delta "Yacht" - anyone got any info? Jack?

MapisM said:
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That Baglietto looks remarkable, at least in that picture, in terms of the surface of the swim platform being so close to the water surface (for that size of boat). It must be somewhat common for wakes to slosh onto its swim platform, and therefore flood the garage. You'd expect the captain to impose a strict regime of closing the w/tight bulkhead door anytime the garage is open. You'd also expect (and want) the w/tight bulkhead door to be mounted so that its bottom edge is above the plane of the swim platform, even if that means it needs steps up to the door. But I'm speculating a bit now and have no details about what happened. Sofia 3 is Marshall Island flagged, and I do not know if the MI authorities (and/or the relevant classification society) operate in a similar way to MAIB in publishing reports.

But anyway, my point is that the baglietto appears to be an outlier in terms of being exposed to this flooding, and it isn't good practice to extrapolate from an outlier. The solution to the Baglietto issue is arguably just to raise the swim platform and the bottom lip of the garage door

BTW, the incident was clearly in Baie des Canebiers, the north facing bay just E of St Trop harbour, btw, not Pampelonne. BdC gets lots of passing wakes (many of them made by Jeremy Clarkson, ahem :D)

The whole debate about designers including "anti-human error" features is fraught with controversy. There is a point where it becomes annoying, in the sense that many of us are happy for design to avoid a human error we feel we could make (eg air-bags and ABS brakes), but not an error that (we think) only idiots could make. It also depends what "price" the user pays for the anti-human error feature: air bags and ABS brakes have no material downside but eliminating a transom door when the trade off is ladder-only access to the aft lower deck does.

FWIW, my view is that ladder-only access to an engine room and crew quarters isn't good in a 25m boat, and I reckon I'm in the majority on that. If the designer wants to avoid a transom door access, that's fine so long as there is a staircase access somewhere else, imho

Completely separately, I'm perplexed by the "money talks" thing. My motive in this debate is the general quest to have the perfect boat, but if that has come across as "money talks" arsiness then I apologise and it was unintentional. I quickly scanned the above and I can't actually see it, to be honest.
 
The thread has the makings of a complete roll reversal of many Gludy threads where boat builders went out of their way to accommodate a buyer who couldn't be pleased.
 
A lot of the problems recounted on the forums (Gludy comes to mind) were caused by prospective buyers pressurising financially weak companies to have changes (some unrealistic and ill thought out) made, the builders were "anxious" for cash flow so agreed, so they had difficulty defending the indefensible here. "Bully" tactics work only with weak operations not normally with strong sound ones of which i believe delta to be one.
 
Coming back to port yesterday I drove past a Delta 80 and I must say it looks truly fantastic in the flesh.

The design is clean and ultra contemporary but at the same time purposeful with a hint of military ethos. The proportions clearly have an edge over their smaller boats too and are pretty much spot on.

It was parked next to a selection of 'mainstream' fly bridge mobos and I must say that with their knife/shark fin/zigzag/whathaveyou windows they looked somewhat clumsy. In terms of desirability the Delta was in a different league.

All very much IMHO, of course but she was a very impressive sight. I want one...
 
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Yup, agreed. I have seen hulls 1+2 on the water a few times in the Med (have lots of pics). Right now I can't get past the terrible fly deck design and the apparent unwillingness to customise, but one day they might budge on those things and then I would buy one
 
petem said:
Hmmm, reading responses like #141 and Lars's earlier ones I think a pretty big change of mindset would be required for you and him to work well together.
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That might be unnecessary P, if as I understand he's isn't actually much involved in building the thing...
...though also the mindset of those who do might well be similar, for all I know.
 
MapisM said:
That might be unnecessary P, if as I understand he's isn't actually much involved in building the thing...
...though also the mindset of those who do might well be similar, for all I know.
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Thing is, MM, the boat needs changes that will surely involve the designer. The mould tool for the flybridge needs to be cut and shut to make a proper flybridge that you can have lunch on. Currently, it is way too small and clumsily designed, and a bit ugly, and you can only seat people around 3 sides of the dining table, urgh. It really lets the boat down for med use (ok for scandi use of course). The changes can be done but they don't want to, which is fair enough!
 
Yep J, all agreed.
I'm just not sure that this type of design/tooling changes are something for which the builder would rely on the official "designer", rather than some production engineer (for the reasons that IIRC we already discussed).
But I'm just speculating, of course.
One thing is for sure: at the size/costs/technicalities behind a boat like that, I'd rather not be the guinea pig, regardless of their willingness to change/customize...
 
I suspect the designer has to sign off on stability and such like, given that a proper flybridge and HT would add say 1 tonne to the upper part of the boat.
I'd be happy to be the guinea pig for a new top moulding on the boat! Not too risky if the boat is already drawn in 3D to begin with
 
I think the boat look great. But i agree that the flybridge is a little bit to small both in terms of seats and lack of sunpad. Boat is intended for scandinavia but i think there is a market in the Med too if the flybridge is extended foward to where the roofwindows/skylights that you can open end. Then there would be space for more seating and maybe a sunpad in front of the driving position. Im really not sure about the aft section, if it could be done in a better way maybe...
 
jfm said:
I suspect the designer has to sign off on stability and such like, given that a proper flybridge and HT would add say 1 tonne to the upper part of the boat.
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Agreed, but I am skeptic that in this case (clue "official" in my previous post :rolleyes:) the designer has anything to see with stability calculation and the likes...
 
Thundergod said:
...but i think there is a market in the Med too if the flybridge is extended ...
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Yes, definitely. Hulls 1+2 are in the Med already. Hull 4 is going to USA I think. I don't know about hull 3. I would be hull 6 or 7 in the Med, if they fixed the design. It could be an awesome boat if they made these changes (and a few others). Otherwise, it is a bit of a disappointment
 
Hello my friends!

It is correct that hull #1 is in the Med. Number 2 has been to Scotland and the Baltic this summer and Hull #3 will soon be shipped to the US and the Fort Lauderdale International Boat Show. It was going around Scandinavia for a shake-down cruise recently and on the way back from Copenhagen to Stockholm they were going non-stop with an average speed above 30 knots. Not bad despite the flybridge... :)

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Designo said:
Hello my friends!

It is correct that hull #1 is in the Med. Number 2 has been to Scotland and the Baltic this summer and Hull #3 will soon be shipped to the US and the Fort Lauderdale International Boat Show. It was going around Scandinavia for a shake-down cruise recently and on the way back from Copenhagen to Stockholm they were going non-stop with an average speed above 30 knots. Not bad despite the flybridge... :)

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She's certainly a looker and that's a heck of an average speed for that trip.
 
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