New boat and trailer sale by Dealer........a bit naughty????

  • Thread starter Thread starter dpb
  • Start date Start date
Lioness said:
The trailers actual weight goes towards the MAM not what the trailer can carry. The trailer can carry 3500kg and boat dry weighs 2801 kg so you have 699 kg to play with depending on the MAM of the towing vehicle
Click to expand...

Lioness said:
For the hard of understanding the full actual wording of DoT 7.2
7.2 GVW - Gross Vehicle Weight
This is specified by the manufacturer and it means the maximum weight the vehicle or trailer is allowed to be when fully loaded. It is the unladen weight of a vehicle plus the maximum permitted payload. Also known as Maximum Permissible Mass, item F1 on the V5C.
Click to expand...

Yes indeed, thank you for confirming I am correct.

If you still believe that a trailer with a GVW of 3500kg can carry a boat of 3500kg, you go ahead and see how you get on. Good luck with that.

As For me, I'm out. My work here is done.
 
CLB said:
Yes indeed, thank you for confirming I am correct.

If you still believe that a trailer with a GVW of 3500kg can carry a boat of 3500kg, you go ahead and see how you get on. Good luck with that.

As For me, I'm out. My work here is done.
Click to expand...

Most here will agree with what you say, including me.

Lioness if you plonk a 3500kg boat on a 3500 trailer and then get stopped and put on a weigh bridge you will come away quite a few £s poorer! And you won't be towing your boat!
 
You could tow with a van/truck provided that the plated gross train weight isn't exceeded and the trailer is rated for the weight of the boat - nato hitch would be preferable to a towball. I'd agree with the o/p however that this looks highly unlikely in this scenario. I've towed over 3.5T with a 5T truck, but I personally wouldn't tow that rig with a 4x4 which is what most would use. That said, you see loads of boat/trailer combos on eBay with either trailers with no wheel arches or over 750kgs with no brakes fitted etc. Probably much like lots of laws - not illegal to sell, but illegal to use! :D
 
petem said:
Hasn't sold yet! But that's gonna be some savage depreciation.
Click to expand...

It certainly looks like a nice boat, but a 25' petrol engined sports cruiser for £130,000 is crazy - even if it does come with a trailer.

Further down the page on ebay is a 10 year old Doral Boca Grande 40' with twin diesels for £115,000. I know which one I would be looking at.

s-l1600.jpg
 
GVW of the trailer is the trailer and it's load , no more than 3500 sat on the road or to be towed , this is irrespective of what tow vehicle you use.
You also have to look at your tow vehicle plate as to what that is allowed to tow including its own load if it's a van plus the weight of the trailer loaded .
It must be a very lightly built boat to go on that trailer at 2800 kg beating in mind it has 2 petrols in.
 
Grubble said:
It certainly looks like a nice boat, but a 25' petrol engined sports cruiser for £130,000 is crazy - even if it does come with a trailer.

Further down the page on ebay is a 10 year old Doral Boca Grande 40' with twin diesels for £115,000. I know which one I would be looking at.

s-l1600.jpg
Click to expand...

Plenty of people choose a brand new Nissan Micra when they could have a 10 year old Mercedes S Class for the same money.
 
You will also need a "+E" on your driving licence...

Anyone who took their driving test on or after 1 January 1997 will have to take a separate test. Those who took their test before that date should already have the +E on their licence but some, apparently, do not. Check your licence - if it's not on there, you will have to take the test too, even though you should be exempt!
 
ari said:
Plenty of people choose a brand new Nissan Micra when they could have a 10 year old Mercedes S Class for the same money.
Click to expand...

True, but this is more like buy a new MX5 or a second hand Porsche. In the case of the two boats, which do you think is going to depreciate more over the next 5 years?
 
Grubble said:
True, but this is more like buy a new MX5 or a second hand Porsche. In the case of the two boats, which do you think is going to depreciate more over the next 5 years?
Click to expand...

Which is going to come with a full warranty? Which is going to cost less to berth, less to service, be less intimidating to handle? Likely be more reliable? Have absolutely known history from day one? Be easy to p/x a smaller boat? Have perfect title documentation, perfect service history, have never been slept in, cooked in, farted in, had the toilets used? Be better for starting a row about trailer weights on an Internet forum?

Personally I wouldn't buy a new boat, but I totally get why people do. If you want a 25ft boat and can easily afford a new one, the fact that a decade old 40 footer that you don't want is the same money is probably of little relevance, just as a tatty old Porsche with all its inherent potential running costs is of little relevance to someone who just wants a nice new MX5 (to use your analogy).
 
ari said:
Which is going to come with a full warranty? Which is going to cost less to berth, less to service, be less intimidating to handle? Likely be more reliable? Have absolutely known history from day one? Be easy to p/x a smaller boat? Have perfect title documentation, perfect service history, have never been slept in, cooked in, farted in, had the toilets used? Be better for starting a row about trailer weights on an Internet forum?

Personally I wouldn't buy a new boat, but I totally get why people do. If you want a 25ft boat and can easily afford a new one, the fact that a decade old 40 footer that you don't want is the same money is probably of little relevance, just as a tatty old Porsche with all its inherent potential running costs is of little relevance to someone who just wants a nice new MX5 (to use your analogy).
Click to expand...

But then the fussy gits probably live in a house that's been owned by 20 occupants before and if none of those 20 ever farted in it I'm Mother Teresa
 
I'm sure you get my point though. Every single boat out there was once bought new by someone, despite the fact that they could by a bigger decade old one for the same money.
 
Oh yes. I do. I'd love a new boat but there you go. Skinflint. In the meantime my old barge serves me well and I'd rather have her than go back to something smaller from which I came from. Besides, I have small kids. They can turn a new boat into an old boat within a single season.
 
For many of us (myself very much included) it's a case of how much money we have and what's the best boat we can buy with it.

However there are individuals able to simply work out what sort of boat they want and buy that. They might have a million pounds to spend, but if what they want is a new 25ft sports cruiser then the fact there's a ten year old 40ft boat for the same money is irrelevant.

And good luck to them, we need them buying boats so we can buy secondhand ones! :D
 
Current RRP of that boat in the US is £73k at the moment, albeit without a trailer, and a pretty dire exchange rate
 
Whitelighter said:
Plus:

VAT
Import Duty
Trailer
Transatlantic Shipping
RCD modifications/upgrades
Click to expand...

Plus the extras fitted above the standard spec maybe.

I wonder as welll as to the 3,500kg maximum trailer + content weight enshrined in law. in the UK/ EU Surely an arbitrary limit. Since when has this been in place ? Are modern big 4x4 vehicles no more capable than those of the past? Have brakes on trailers in the UK/ EU not improved in the 19 years or so since I had a trailer with a big boat on it ? Over run drum brakes, It all seems rather archaic
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top