New Beneteau ST44 or used Trader 42 FB Signature

kashurst said:
website indicates £260K plus vat and extras
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Realistic RRP will be iro £400K inc vat for a nice spec.

Yep, I have to own up to having a little bit of bias as I am Jeanneau dealer, but, boat number 1 was at Paris Boat Show and apart from looking like they had rushed it a tiny bit to get it to the show on time the layout and use of space was designed for serious cruising by a medium sized family or acres of space for a couple.

The flybridge really uses the space. It's huge and truly does work well, but the saloon also works nicely with mind boggling levels of storage.

Definitely worth viewing as it has been pitched to me as a fast trawler killer. I can see why my French colleagues believe that too.

Madorwhat, where abouts will you be looking to keep your new boat, whatever she may end up being?
 
A lot can happen in 6 years

At the risk of attracting a lot of approbrium from Gludy supporters, I have to say that a lot can happen in six years. Gludy had a very bad experience but that was with a different boat purchased a long time ago.

As I understand it approx 25 Trader 42s have been sold and I haven't heard that there are a lot of disatsfied customers. My own, a 2008 build, has 760 hours on the engines and has cruised as far south as Ile D'Yeu and as far north as Tobermory. We have had no problems that have caused us to regret our decision. We plan to take her to the west coast of Norway this year and have every confidence in her ability to get us there safely.

A sister boat, Rolling Swiss, covered over 5000nm last year including a visit to St Petersburg and a transit of the Gota canal in Sweden. Aside from repairs needed after contact with a solid object, I gather it only needed routine servicing.

I can't speak for the quality of work that came out of the Taiwan yard but the 42 is built in China. We have had plenty of visitors aboard who admire the quality of workmanship and the way the boat is put together.

What little service we have required from Trader Motor Yachts has been friendly and efficient.

Just in the interests of a balanced view!

Richard.
 
Nautibusiness said:
Realistic RRP will be iro £400K inc vat for a nice spec.

Yep, I have to own up to having a little bit of bias as I am Jeanneau dealer, but, boat number 1 was at Paris Boat Show and apart from looking like they had rushed it a tiny bit to get it to the show on time the layout and use of space was designed for serious cruising by a medium sized family or acres of space for a couple.

The flybridge really uses the space. It's huge and truly does work well, but the saloon also works nicely with mind boggling levels of storage.

Definitely worth viewing as it has been pitched to me as a fast trawler killer. I can see why my French colleagues believe that too.

Madorwhat, where abouts will you be looking to keep your new boat, whatever she may end up being?
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Thanks. New boat will be on the Clyde somewhere ,not sure yet
 
Nautibusiness said:
Found this collage of actual pics on you tube.

This is the boat that was at Paris... don't worry, the interesting hull wrap in the opening pics is not a standard feature!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Clk8omGh0
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Looks good to me, are you saying that you can supply a brand new Jeaneau 42 voyager ready to cast off with reasonable nav gear for the same price as a 3 year old trader .......its a no brainer :cool:

Presume that has replaced the Prestige ?
 
IDAMAY said:
At the risk of attracting a lot of approbrium from Gludy supporters, I have to say that a lot can happen in six years. Gludy had a very bad experience but that was with a different boat purchased a long time ago.

As I understand it approx 25 Trader 42s have been sold and I haven't heard that there are a lot of disatsfied customers. My own, a 2008 build, has 760 hours on the engines and has cruised as far south as Ile D'Yeu and as far north as Tobermory. We have had no problems that have caused us to regret our decision. We plan to take her to the west coast of Norway this year and have every confidence in her ability to get us there safely.

A sister boat, Rolling Swiss, covered over 5000nm last year including a visit to St Petersburg and a transit of the Gota canal in Sweden. Aside from repairs needed after contact with a solid object, I gather it only needed routine servicing.

I can't speak for the quality of work that came out of the Taiwan yard but the 42 is built in China. We have had plenty of visitors aboard who admire the quality of workmanship and the way the boat is put together.

What little service we have required from Trader Motor Yachts has been friendly and efficient.

Just in the interests of a balanced view!

Richard.
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Richard

Def nice to have a balanced view as last few posts were putting me off a bit to be honest. I suppose with a 2009 boat with 200 hours on it , if there was anything serious it would show up on a survey.
 
Survey

Yes, you would certainly want a survey. We bought ours second hand and the survey showed a few minor problems and one major one. That was some corrosion to the rudders. which had been caused by the previous owner using the boat in both sea and river waters but omitting to change the anodes when moving from one area to the another. There were zero issues with the integrity of the hull or any other structural matters. The rudders were sorted out by the prevoius owner prior to our purchase.

Since then we have had a leak on the side deck door which I have seen on another boat but later models had a redesigned door. You can tell whether this is the case by the fitting of a leading edge protector and a revised lower door track.

Richard.
 
If it's for cruising around the Clyde and the islands I would have the Trader. Just been looking at the website pics of the trader - looks lovely and warm inside with a sheltered cockpit. Buy the one that suits you and your family.

I think the Gludy experience has overly coloured peoples views on this forum. Its not hard to find people who are very unhappy with one or two or three other very popular manufacturers. Gelcoat problems, build quality issues, cracked hulls, etc etc.
 
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DAKA said:
Looks good to me, are you saying that you can supply a brand new Jeaneau 42 voyager ready to cast off with reasonable nav gear for the same price as a 3 year old trader .......its a no brainer :cool:

Presume that has replaced the Prestige ?
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Daka

The Prestige range is still very much in existence, but now trading as a brand in their own right.

The Voyage 42 is very nicely appointed indeed, but appears to be more of a boaters boat than perhaps a gin palace. Very solid and chunky looking with what appears to be a very clever "cross over" hull. Study the stem in the pictures and you'll see what I mean.

I have to say that I have never driven one (I think only the Jeanneau staff test skipper has so far), but the impression is good.

As far as the OP is concerned, your local dealer is Euroyachts who I am sure will be most helpful. If you have any difficulties or just have some questions though, please pm me and I'll be pleased to try and help.
At this stage though... a weekend over at Dusseldorf Boat Show will get you to see the Voyage 42 and probably directly compare with the ST (check the ST is there is you want to compare though).
 
Nautibusiness said:
A complete curve ball and simply because I looked over her at Paris Boat Show.
Billed to be a fast trawler killer and certainly offering space and a MASSIVE flybridge.

Take a look at the Jeanneau Voyage 42. Brand new for 2013.
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IMHO thats an absolute winner if the price on the website is for a fairly decent spec. I think the UK builders have missed a massive trick here. No question that Beneteau have had huge success with their rufty tufty Trawler range and now it looks like Jeanneau is following a similar track, albeit with a slightly different concept. The boat industry seems to be following the car industry where SUVs have become a major growth segment with, of course, our own Land Rover benefiting hugely. IMHO, new boat buyers will increasingly look for something different to the ubiquitous planing gin palaces on offer from the major boat builders and trawler-lookalike boats may satisfy that demand.
The Voyage 42 has a quite a bluff design at the bow. Can you explain why this is? Is the boat designed for proper displacement cruising as well as planing speeds? Good to see Jeanneau going with traditional shaftdrive rather than sterndrives or pods which IMHO suit the image of the boat better
 
Hi Deleted User

She is actually on V drives (backward shafts) which gives all the depth of space centrally that you get from pods or outdrives, but with shaft handling and that feeling of being planted in the water.

She is no slouch though. Jeanneau are claiming 28 knots at WOT, but you are right about the hull.
I haven't quite grasped it as I am no marine architect, but you can see a knife edge stem down low for slicing waves once up and planing. But, you are right again in that at lower speeds with the hull sitting deep in the water she almost carries a Carolina flare, certainly plenty of shape for pushing away waves and spray.

I'm looking forward to a drive in one.

With regards spec, you will still need to add the cruising extras and nav essentials as you would expect with any boat of this size. My guess of a RRP of £400inc is just a guess as I haven't yet seen the UK price list, but it is based on the starting price so won't be unrealistic.

Tom
 
Nautibusiness said:
Realistic RRP will be iro £400K inc vat for a nice spec.

Yep, I have to own up to having a little bit of bias as I am Jeanneau dealer, but, boat number 1 was at Paris Boat Show and apart from looking like they had rushed it a tiny bit to get it to the show on time the layout and use of space was designed for serious cruising by a medium sized family or acres of space for a couple.

The flybridge really uses the space. It's huge and truly does work well, but the saloon also works nicely with mind boggling levels of storage.

Definitely worth viewing as it has been pitched to me as a fast trawler killer. I can see why my French colleagues believe that too.

Madorwhat, where abouts will you be looking to keep your new boat, whatever she may end up being?
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Wow, I really like that! The perfect Med Gibraltar boat, capable, fast and oodles of space! Just £200k short.....
 
Nautibusiness said:
Hi Deleted User

She is actually on V drives (backward shafts) which gives all the depth of space centrally that you get from pods or outdrives, but with shaft handling and that feeling of being planted in the water.

She is no slouch though. Jeanneau are claiming 28 knots at WOT, but you are right about the hull.
I haven't quite grasped it as I am no marine architect, but you can see a knife edge stem down low for slicing waves once up and planing. But, you are right again in that at lower speeds with the hull sitting deep in the water she almost carries a Carolina flare, certainly plenty of shape for pushing away waves and spray.
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Yup, i guessed she had V drives from the aft mounted position of the engines. Nowt wrong with that although there has been some bias against V drives on this forum in the past. It would be interesting to know what the designer's intentions were with the hull once you know more
 
it would be nice to read a dedicated thread, its a shame it stuck at the base of this one.

Realize it would be like an advert but a totally new concept deserves its own space :)
 
I'll post a new thread dedicated to discussing the boat if nobody has grumbled about the idea by tomorrow morning...

If it bothers you see it, please post here.
Or if one of you want to start the thread I shall upload photo's, links, videos etc as more info comes available.
 
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