richardabeattie
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Re: Delta
What is IE7? How do I expand this Sailing Today article to read it?
What is IE7? How do I expand this Sailing Today article to read it?
Never trust an anchor test
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charles_reed
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Yes
CQR - excellent anchor, except for an unfortunate habit of falling on its back with the plough up instead of re-setting
CQR - excellent anchor, except for an unfortunate habit of falling on its back with the plough up instead of re-setting
Pete7
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Re: Delta
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What is IE7? How do I expand this Sailing Today article to read it?
[/ QUOTE ] Internet Explorer 7, it's the software you're using to browse this forum, unless your have an older version.
You are looking for a 100% and a small drop down arrow in the bottom right hand corner of the page.
Pete
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What is IE7? How do I expand this Sailing Today article to read it?
[/ QUOTE ] Internet Explorer 7, it's the software you're using to browse this forum, unless your have an older version.
You are looking for a 100% and a small drop down arrow in the bottom right hand corner of the page.
Pete
wotayottie
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I have a big CQR and a long chain. On the basis that if it was good enough for someone as experienced, and successful, as Eric Hiscock, it's good enough for me.
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Well I use a large rock attached by platted vines. If it was good enough for someone as experienced and successful as Noah, its good enough for me. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I have a big CQR and a long chain. On the basis that if it was good enough for someone as experienced, and successful, as Eric Hiscock, it's good enough for me.
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Well I use a large rock attached by platted vines. If it was good enough for someone as experienced and successful as Noah, its good enough for me. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
richardabeattie
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Thanks Pete 7 - it's beyond me how you manage to put a picture of part of your screen on the post but alas I don't think I am using IE - I am on AOL and there is no 100% box on the bottom of my screen
Leighb
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Re: Delta
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[ Internet Explorer 7, it's the software you're using to browse this forum, unless your have an older version.
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Or unless you don't like Internet Explorer and use a sensible browser such as Firefox /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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[ Internet Explorer 7, it's the software you're using to browse this forum, unless your have an older version.
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Or unless you don't like Internet Explorer and use a sensible browser such as Firefox /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
damo
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"I am on AOL"
You poor, poor man /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Known to many as AOHell
You poor, poor man /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Known to many as AOHell
ShipsWoofy
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Re: Delta
pat pat.. course you have dear.
pat pat.. course you have dear.
Pete7
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Richard, the photo was posted by copying the desktop with "print screen" into MS Paint and cutting the bottom corner out into another MS Paint and saving it. This was hosted on Photobucket and a link in my post inserts the photo into the post.
If you happy with AOL then stick with it because removing it is a nightmare.
The article though didn't give very good reviews and the prices quoted would lead to lots of sucking of teeth especially as it's 5 years old now /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Last anchor I bought cost £30 from the marine superstore so if I loose it then no tears, But £390 for Wasi Claw /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Pete
If you happy with AOL then stick with it because removing it is a nightmare.
The article though didn't give very good reviews and the prices quoted would lead to lots of sucking of teeth especially as it's 5 years old now /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Last anchor I bought cost £30 from the marine superstore so if I loose it then no tears, But £390 for Wasi Claw /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Pete
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Well I use a large rock attached by platted vines. If it was good enough for someone as experienced and successful as Noah, its good enough for me. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Trouble is, that is "Date of The Ark Technology" and not "State of the Art Technology" /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Well I use a large rock attached by platted vines. If it was good enough for someone as experienced and successful as Noah, its good enough for me. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Trouble is, that is "Date of The Ark Technology" and not "State of the Art Technology" /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Poignard
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Noah,
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Quite a successful skipper, as I remember, no only did he complete his lengthy voyage in unusually bad weather and with navigational difficulties caused by unforseen changes in topography due to flooding, but he also kept his disparate crew in good health, despite personal animosities and differing dietary preferences. And he built his own boat.
He should have been nominated for Yachtsman of the Year /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
[ps Looking at some of the test results you might do just as well with a rock as with some of these weird contraptions on sale at grossly inflated prices.]
Noah,
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Quite a successful skipper, as I remember, no only did he complete his lengthy voyage in unusually bad weather and with navigational difficulties caused by unforseen changes in topography due to flooding, but he also kept his disparate crew in good health, despite personal animosities and differing dietary preferences. And he built his own boat.
He should have been nominated for Yachtsman of the Year /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
[ps Looking at some of the test results you might do just as well with a rock as with some of these weird contraptions on sale at grossly inflated prices.]
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Great fun but has this thread lost the plot and anyway do you believe ALL that stuff about Noah and the Ark??? I asked my German neighbour and he assures me that Noah probably used a Bugel anchor.
webcraft
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if it was good enough for someone as experienced, and successful, as Eric Hiscock, it's good enough for me.
[/ QUOTE ] Yes, and by the same token we should all throw our GPS sets overboard and learn to use a sextant - but not many of us are. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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if it was good enough for someone as experienced, and successful, as Eric Hiscock, it's good enough for me.
[/ QUOTE ] Yes, and by the same token we should all throw our GPS sets overboard and learn to use a sextant - but not many of us are. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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DownWest
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Finally an anchor thread with a bit of sense in it.............
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Poignard
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we should all throw our GPS sets overboard and learn to use a sextant
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Not at all, but to rely on GPS alone doesn't seem like a very good idea to me.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that none of the tests I have read about have been convincing enough to make me go to the expense of scrapping a perfectly satisfactory CQR and buying a newer design.
we should all throw our GPS sets overboard and learn to use a sextant
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Not at all, but to rely on GPS alone doesn't seem like a very good idea to me.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that none of the tests I have read about have been convincing enough to make me go to the expense of scrapping a perfectly satisfactory CQR and buying a newer design.
jimbaerselman
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I have a big CQR and a long chain. On the basis that if it was good enough for someone as experienced, and successful, as Eric Hiscock, it's good enough for me.
[/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. But designs have improved since the '50s. I mean, we've got AWBs now. Aluminium masts. Polyester ropes and sails.
I have a big CQR and a long chain. On the basis that if it was good enough for someone as experienced, and successful, as Eric Hiscock, it's good enough for me.
[/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. But designs have improved since the '50s. I mean, we've got AWBs now. Aluminium masts. Polyester ropes and sails.
Poignard
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Aluminium masts. Polyester ropes and sails.
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All of which were used by Eric Hiscock. [sorry - I don't know what an AWB is].
I am not saying that the Bugel, Spade, Rocna etc are not as good as, or better than, a CQR. They might well be. But I am not going to give up using something I have confidence in, in response to manufacturers' advertising supported by some brief tests conducted by magazines.
The most successful advertising technique has always been:
1. Create fear, e.g. "Your CQR is no good, your anchor will drag and you might die"
2. Offer a safeguard, e.g. "Buy the Boggs Super Anchor and you will be safe"
Aluminium masts. Polyester ropes and sails.
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All of which were used by Eric Hiscock. [sorry - I don't know what an AWB is].
I am not saying that the Bugel, Spade, Rocna etc are not as good as, or better than, a CQR. They might well be. But I am not going to give up using something I have confidence in, in response to manufacturers' advertising supported by some brief tests conducted by magazines.
The most successful advertising technique has always been:
1. Create fear, e.g. "Your CQR is no good, your anchor will drag and you might die"
2. Offer a safeguard, e.g. "Buy the Boggs Super Anchor and you will be safe"
blackbeard
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Well, if CQR works for you, stick with it - I wouldn't change anything on the basis of a report which says " ... if you drop a Delta, you can virtually guarantee that you're anchored.". I doubt if even Lewmar would claim that, there's just a little more to anchoring technique than just dropping the anchor.
For what it's worth I have a Britany, not because it's necessarily the best anchor ever made but because it's the only one of decent size which will fit into my Lilliputian anchor locker! It replaced a slightly smaller copy of a Bruce which was spectacularly useless (maybe a real Bruce would have been better). So far the Britany has been OK. Kedge is a, yes, Delta.
For what it's worth I have a Britany, not because it's necessarily the best anchor ever made but because it's the only one of decent size which will fit into my Lilliputian anchor locker! It replaced a slightly smaller copy of a Bruce which was spectacularly useless (maybe a real Bruce would have been better). So far the Britany has been OK. Kedge is a, yes, Delta.
jimbaerselman
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All of which were used by Eric Hiscock. [sorry - I don't know what an AWB is].
[/ QUOTE ] Average White Boat - derogatory term for Plastic Bath Tub.
I said, 'fair enough', meaning that I accept your choice. I love sailing in classic boats - I once used to skipper a Brixham Trawler. I love the engineering of steam engines, too; so much more tangible than software. And I very much agree with you about marketing techniques, as well.
My only point (poor examples!) was that things do move on, improvements do happen, and they shouldn't be dismissed because [an individual] doesn't need them.
Sadly, among improvements, filtering out 'spin' from fact isn't always that easy. Snake oil lives on due to happy co-incidences - oil additives, some fuel additives, battery acid additives, wrist bands, snubbers . . .
There, that's laid me open to a few tirades . . .
All of which were used by Eric Hiscock. [sorry - I don't know what an AWB is].
[/ QUOTE ] Average White Boat - derogatory term for Plastic Bath Tub.
I said, 'fair enough', meaning that I accept your choice. I love sailing in classic boats - I once used to skipper a Brixham Trawler. I love the engineering of steam engines, too; so much more tangible than software. And I very much agree with you about marketing techniques, as well.
My only point (poor examples!) was that things do move on, improvements do happen, and they shouldn't be dismissed because [an individual] doesn't need them.
Sadly, among improvements, filtering out 'spin' from fact isn't always that easy. Snake oil lives on due to happy co-incidences - oil additives, some fuel additives, battery acid additives, wrist bands, snubbers . . .
There, that's laid me open to a few tirades . . .
Drascomber
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I have a big CQR and a long chain.
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The important word in the description of your ground tackle is "big". In many types of bottom it can be difficult to get a smaller anchor to dig in and stay dug in. At smaller sizes the design of the anchor becomes more critical.
I have a big CQR and a long chain.
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The important word in the description of your ground tackle is "big". In many types of bottom it can be difficult to get a smaller anchor to dig in and stay dug in. At smaller sizes the design of the anchor becomes more critical.