watson1959
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Hmmmm that's how I read this too...... Doesn't sound like a convincing recipe for success or am I being negative?
Need fuel question help PLEASE!!!
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Hmmmm that's how I read this too...... Doesn't sound like a convincing recipe for success or am I being negative?
Thepipdoc
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I believe the very last thing you should be concerned about is the cost of fuel.
boomer
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I too, cant help feeling that this is some sort of joke. Maine to Key West is over 2000 Nm and it will be hundreds of miles more than that by the time he has put into the various wayports. And its not the easiest of voyages. As a complete novice, it is total madness and fuel consumption will be the least of his problems. Does Galaxy really intend to expose his family to this risk? Total lack of essential detail too eg over what sort of period is the voyage to be made, what arrangements are to be made for the children's education on the way, where is the childrens mother in all this?
Since the OP asks about Maine to Florida, should we assume he is US-based as we are? We have a motor yacht roughly the size he is talking about. If this isnt some type of mickey taking, he is welcome to PM me for such advice as I can give.
sarabande
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perhaps the first, rather formal step may be to talk with one of the big training organisations e.g.
http://www.bluewatersailing.com/yachtmaster.php
to get an idea of the knowledge and skills required to run a large boat with many residents.
http://www.bluewatersailing.com/yachtmaster.php
to get an idea of the knowledge and skills required to run a large boat with many residents.
Nick_H
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He hasn't gone out and bought a boat on a whim, or set off on a madcap voyage putting anyone at risk, he's just asked for advice on a forum. Seems a reasonable first step to me?
lisilou
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Excuse my bluntness here everyone but has anyone actually read the whole thread because 'he' as most of you seem to referring to is actually a 'she' (post 11) So 'the mother' will be there onboard fulltime with her kids. Just wanted to point that out to save more confusion.
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prv
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Post 11, or any of Galaxy's replies, hadn't showed up yet (new user moderation) when most of the posts were written.
Pete
lisilou
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PCUK
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5 Gallons an hour at 20 knots!!! There's been a mix up in translation. I would say nearer 30 gallons or perhaps 40 US gallons per hour. My 40 footer did 10 gallons an hour at 10 knots.
benjenbav
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Excuse my bluntness here everyone but has anyone actually read the whole thread because 'he' as most of you seem to referring to is actually a 'she' (post 11) So 'the mother' will be there onboard fulltime with her kids. Just wanted to point that out to save more confusion.
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Ain't there such a thing as same sex marriage? I saw stuff about "husband" but no other gender clues.
Seems to me like the OP would do well to search for BartW's articles on here which talk about buying a 70-odd foot boat straight up from a dayboat in order to get the lifestyle. Not for megabucks either. I think I might be right in saying that, whilst Bart knew much more about boats than the OP admits to knowing, there was still a steep learning curve which might have some useful pointers.
Sounds like a great dream to me but one that I'm much too square to try to live myself.
John100156
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Wow on the last 500nm trip I did my F43 averaged about 1 mile per gallon (4.546L) at cruising speeds?
Galaxy: Don't be put off by any negative comments, good for you, go for it.
I would be frightened to skipper an 85' boat: you could look at say a Princess 67 which should accommodate you all, like the idea of a power catamaran too, Fontaine Pajot Cumberland is a nice boat with lots of room.
Hurricane may be along soon to advise you, he has nice P67 and I am sure could advise you more accurately on fuel consumption. He is experienced and he and his wife Mary make it look very easy coping with that size of boat! A credit to them both.
Over the next year or so you should look at getting some serious training and qualifications, you will be surprised how much you need to know but with your determination and enthusiasm I am sure you will thoroughly enjoy it. I did. Then when ready charter, then go for it, why not, life is short and you're a long time dead.
Galaxy: Don't be put off by any negative comments, good for you, go for it.
I would be frightened to skipper an 85' boat: you could look at say a Princess 67 which should accommodate you all, like the idea of a power catamaran too, Fontaine Pajot Cumberland is a nice boat with lots of room.
Hurricane may be along soon to advise you, he has nice P67 and I am sure could advise you more accurately on fuel consumption. He is experienced and he and his wife Mary make it look very easy coping with that size of boat! A credit to them both.
Over the next year or so you should look at getting some serious training and qualifications, you will be surprised how much you need to know but with your determination and enthusiasm I am sure you will thoroughly enjoy it. I did. Then when ready charter, then go for it, why not, life is short and you're a long time dead.
Galaxy
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Hello all,
I'm sorry, as Pete pointed out I am new user so my responses have not shown up yet.
Just wanted to clarify, yes I am the mom. I was planning to liveaboard in a marina for about 4-6 years until my older kids finish HS. We will take weekend and school vacation trips with someone knowlegable who can teach us how to operate the boat. By the time we are ready to leave the marina and take longer trips I figure that we should have enough experience . This is all just part of my research phase and trying to figure out the best way tto do this that will be practical and fininancially feasible. I start with an idea, in this case, the 85 footer, which is what I really want, then begin to research the idea. My very first step was checking out a few used boats and it seemed that I could afford a used large boat, at least to purchase cash anyhow. Now I have to figure out the realistic cost to operate and maintain the boat on our income. This is all very preliminary. I may decide that it is more expensive than I thought or I may decide that it may be doable,. That is why I e here. I was hopin to get some good sound advice and informattion from some folks who are actually doing it.
I'm sorry, as Pete pointed out I am new user so my responses have not shown up yet.
Just wanted to clarify, yes I am the mom. I was planning to liveaboard in a marina for about 4-6 years until my older kids finish HS. We will take weekend and school vacation trips with someone knowlegable who can teach us how to operate the boat. By the time we are ready to leave the marina and take longer trips I figure that we should have enough experience . This is all just part of my research phase and trying to figure out the best way tto do this that will be practical and fininancially feasible. I start with an idea, in this case, the 85 footer, which is what I really want, then begin to research the idea. My very first step was checking out a few used boats and it seemed that I could afford a used large boat, at least to purchase cash anyhow. Now I have to figure out the realistic cost to operate and maintain the boat on our income. This is all very preliminary. I may decide that it is more expensive than I thought or I may decide that it may be doable,. That is why I e here. I was hopin to get some good sound advice and informattion from some folks who are actually doing it.
PaulGooch
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Who mentioned 4 or 5 gallons an hour at 20 knots with a 85 footer 
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Can i have one of those please ?
My 27 footer uses 5 gallons an hour at 17 knots.
?Can i have one of those please ?
My 27 footer uses 5 gallons an hour at 17 knots.
John100156
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No one said 5 Gal/Hr (see above!) I think Galaxy may have got that wrong. My guess to get things started was 20-25L (4-5 gallons) per mile!
Which would equate to say 80-100 Gal/Hr at 20 knots! But as I have no idea what an 85' boat would consume at 20 knots - can anyone help Galaxy in this regard?
Galaxy
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Sorry John, that was my mistake. I have gotten so used to always reading thatt it is per hr and not per mile that I misread. I guess that's why I am a newbie.
Your absolutely right about training. I figured that I would take some courses over the next couple years to get prepared.
Your absolutely right about training. I figured that I would take some courses over the next couple years to get prepared.
Ferretti 881RPH Dreamer
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I was looking at a large 80ft and that had 9000 lt tank and only did 350 nm max range at 18kn cruising speed, so that makes it about 26lt per nm...
(I hope my maths worked it out right).
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Sneds
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Troll? But v entertaining
Divemaster1
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If you look at a Princess 23 Metre, she will have 2 x 1500 HP plus onboard and assuming that when travelling at 20 knots, you will take out about 75% of this, this equates to about 2300 HP...
2300 hp at rough 200 grammes per HP Hour (diesel weight is about 0.86), this gives 0.232 Litres per HP hour..
Multiply this with 2300 HP, then you get 535L per hour ...
535 L/hr = 117 UK Gallons per hour, or 141 US Gallons (liquid) per hour....
So that will be the ballpark figure for a single hull, 80 foot plus, planning hull fuel consumption at about 20 knots....
Galaxy
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Thanks Dreamer,
That's the kind of info I was looking for. So I guess at that rate it would be about 7 gallons per mile and if I was taking a 1000 mile trip I would be looking at $28000 in fuel one way. Thatks pretty ugly.
kcrane
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I was doing sums in my head while drinking wine watching footie, but is that roughly 0.15 miles per US gallon?
