Navigating a TSS

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I know you have to cross a TSS at 90' to the flow but what about the Pink bit ?

http://www.harbourguides.com/charts.php/English-Channel

Eastbourne to Boulogne.

Do you have to go all the way to Dungerness CS3 to cross Bullock N card to Riddens E card or can you go out of Eastbourne cross the first bit of the TSS and then cruise up the Pink bit ?

What happens when a ship is on your starboard side, do you stop and wait for him to pass or do you go astern of him( which means you are heading the wrong way down a TSS).


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If anyone has done this and would like to loan/sell me their GPS please pm me .
 
Daka - is this a wind up?


I do not have the chart here but if you cross the TSS at roughly 90 degrees to the indicated flow you are complying with the regs. That's throughout the breath of the scheme

A/C for traffic avoidance is of course allowed - you must return to the 90 degree original course once clear of danger
 
No its not a wind up.
The TSS bends on that bit making a crossing complicated and has a pink bit 10 miles wide which should be void of shipping and ideal for heading straight to destination .

Alright I hold my hands up to the borrowing a gps with a plot to follow , just attempting to add a little colour ;)

Where are you crossing to get a straight 90' from ?

I must be missing something, its a complicated dog leg :confused:

Happy to concede Pink= Magenta

chart here
http://www.harbourguides.com/charts.php/English-Channel






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I think you will find that Colregs 10(e) cover it.

Unless you are a fishing vessel or in an emergency you should only cross a separation zone at right angles.

My opinion (and it is only that) is that crossing from Dungeness to Boulogne would require you to firstly cross the SW lane at right angles then, half way across the separation zone (not the TSS), dog leg to port and cross the NE lane at right angles.

That is the track I would follow in that situation.

Tom
 
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If you navigate in the exclusion zone between the two trackways (other than at 90deg or close) you will probably get a wake-up call from HMCG. If you do not wish to cross at rt angles, use one or other of the tracks to go L or R & return to Rt angles when you get to the appropriate place.

Don't you have a large & powerful MoBo? So how much delay is it to go straight across the "motorway" rather than risking a VERY large fine for jay-riding? Would you play "dodge the traffic" on rollerskates on a motorway if a policeman was watching?
 
Searush said:
If you navigate in the exclusion zone between the two trackways (other than at 90deg or close) you will probably get a wake-up call from HMCG. If you do not wish to cross at rt angles, use one or other of the tracks to go L or R & return to Rt angles when you get to the appropriate place.

Don't you have a large & powerful MoBo? So how much delay is it to go straight across the "motorway" rather than risking a VERY large fine for jay-riding? Would you play "dodge the traffic" on rollerskates on a motorway if a policeman was watching?
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I don't think I'd do that on rollerskates even if Mr plod wasn't watching!!! ;)
 
Searush said:
If you navigate in the exclusion zone between the two trackways (other than at 90deg or close) you will probably get a wake-up call from HMCG. If you do not wish to cross at rt angles, use one or other of the tracks to go L or R & return to Rt angles when you get to the appropriate place.

Don't you have a large & powerful MoBo? So how much delay is it to go straight across the "motorway" rather than risking a VERY large fine for jay-riding? Would you play "dodge the traffic" on rollerskates on a motorway if a policeman was watching?
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Thanks searush, Im not attempting to take a short cut, I am trying to do it right but the TSS bends just where I want to cross.

After Bullock Bank N Cardinal I want to head to boulogne which is 90' to N going TSS but 45' to south going TSS. and could be wrong, :confused:

At 25knots, its too late for a mobo to plot a new course while getting a wakeup call from Dover CG, hence I am trying to plot a sensible course now.
 
Running along the coast until just off of Dungeness, then crossing straight across is approx 48 nm. A direct course from Eastbourne to Boulogne is approx 50 miles. Both measured harbour mouth to harbour mouth. By the time you've messed around zig zagging the TSS to comply with the 90° bits, you'll have done the 50 nm anyway. Think i'd just run along the coast and make it easier :)
 
I did what you suggest a couple of years ago but in the opposite direction, Bolougne to Brighton. I always understood that the pink bit was no mans land and that you could take a different track, this passage is the possibly the only one where I guess not keeping rigidly to the 90deg rule in the pink bits has a massive benefit, its the biggest pink bit in the whole UK!
We were however buzzed by the HMCG spotter plane although I can't remember exactly where now, I assumed at the time it was to check if we were suspicous for illegals etc... We did cross the "lanes" at exactly 90deg, however maybe it was because my course in the pink bit was not at 90deg, never heard anything though.
It would be good to have definative answer on this because the rules just say cross at 90deg with no reference to the pink bits.
 
You COULD actually travel in the TSS itself.
As long as you go in the correct lane and observe all the rules etc.
It isn't exclusively for ships.

Of course, using the TSS wouldnt be of much use to you - better to cross the TTS completely and then you can run in any direction.
 
I think it's a good question. Rule 10 talks about crossing "lanes" at 90 degs, not "crossing the TSS" at 90 degs, which suggests to me that you could plot a different course in the pink bits. The purpose of the crossing rule is to avoid impeding vessels in the scheme, but they travel in the lanes, not in the buffer zone, so you wouldn't be impeding them.
 
Nick_H said:
I think it's a good question. Rule 10 talks about crossing "lanes" at 90 degs, not "crossing the TSS" at 90 degs, which suggests to me that you could plot a different course in the pink bits. The purpose of the crossing rule is to avoid impeding vessels in the scheme, but they travel in the lanes, not in the buffer zone, so you wouldn't be impeding them.
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Haven't got the colregs at home but I always thought the 90 degrees was the boat heading not the course itself. i.e. if there is a 3 knot ebb you will have a course less than 90 to fully comply with the regs

But I could be wrong. I often am
 
AFAIK, the "pink bit" is an exclusion or separation zone between the two lanes.

One is not supposed to navigate in it at all, but, of course, one can cross it "by the shortest route practicable". Where the word practicable is used to cover the case of slow moving sailing vessels possibly having to beat into the wind. However, any sensible sailing boat with an engine available would use it to cross at 90deg.

Like I said, you are effectively crossing a motorway - commonsense says treat it as such. Traffic can be so dense that when you dodge the first one you can end up in the path of a second - which is the whole point of the "dual carriageway" cos at least they are all going the same way as you cross the streams.

As a Raggie I always pass behind, but still feel like a hedgehog. :eek:
 
RIN said:
Haven't got the colregs at home but I always thought the 90 degrees was the boat heading not the course itself. i.e. if there is a 3 knot ebb you will have a course less than 90 to fully comply with the regs

But I could be wrong. I often am
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This is an interesting point. You are correct in that a boat is obliged to cross on a heading of 90' to the lane. But, prosecutions for TSS violations in court dredge up radar evidence that shows track information. How do they prove how well your boat sticks to the water?
 
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