Salty John
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You have to wonder - these people are supposed to be professional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ0hYorC5WM&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ0hYorC5WM&feature=youtu.be
Nasty collision
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wadget
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Classic example of interaction.
Just goes to show the dangers of trying to transit the Singapore strait at full sea speed, there simply isn't enough room to be able to overtake other vessels safely.
Mariner69
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+1
Grumpybear
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Seems to be a case of push 'n' BEKS......
bigwow
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Perfectly executed PIT manoeuvre
Giblets
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I wonder if the skipper of the smaller boat called "water" before turning!
30boat
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The swearing in Spanish is quite funny!Puta madre,qué cagada!
Skylark
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I'm sure the accident investigation report will make for interesting reading. Presumably, both skippers are now preparing their defence from the comfort of their Changi prison cell.
wadget
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I'm pretty sure that there was very little that the larger "BEKS" vessel could do about it. The video is not long enough to understand why the collision happened, from the moment the video starts a collision is inevitable.
Uricanejack
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one often forgets to look astern ocasionaly.
The big boat was overtaking or at least going faster. I suspect he forgot to look ahead ocasionaly.
Takes two to tango
The big boat was overtaking or at least going faster. I suspect he forgot to look ahead ocasionaly.
Takes two to tango
bbg
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Interesting perspective. Obviously it is difficult to say without knowing all the facts, but I was wondering why the BEKS vessel - which appeared to be overtaking - was so close. And given the proximity, why she didn't go full astern to open some separation. I also wondered whether being so close created a suction that brought the two vessels together. It us not at all clear whether the lead vessel actively turned to port, or was simply turned by contact with the second vessel.
NormanS
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It looked to me as if all that was required was for the BEKS to slow down a bit. The vessel in front could not turn to starboard because her port quarter would have immediately come in contact withe the BEKS starboard bow. I don't think the leading ship turned to port, but was pushed round by BEKS.
wadget
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mcga-mnotice.htm?textobjid=B4837A4A06C8E7E4
Have a read of section 3, there is probably another site somewhere which will explain it better to be honest.
When said there wasn't anything the beks ship could do I meant in the video, of course they should never have been in that position.
Have a read of section 3, there is probably another site somewhere which will explain it better to be honest.
When said there wasn't anything the beks ship could do I meant in the video, of course they should never have been in that position.
RichardS
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Looks like that to me as well.
I wondered whether the small ship was pushed right over or, indeed, into the path of the oncoming ship?
Richard
savageseadog
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If you look at 00:47 there is a ship approaching from the other direction, is the smaller ship trying to keep clear of the oncoming vessel? There is obviously a vessel to starboard where the video was shot so port was probably appeared to be the best change of course. Isn't there a separation zone?
charles_reed
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From the video, the overtaken vessel appears to have been mostly at fault.
Even if according to Col Regs it was the stand-on vessel.
In my experience it's always the one coming up from behind that gives you the closest shave
sailorman
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Overtaking ship keep clear, simples
the ship being overtaken could have had a steering fault
the ship being overtaken could have had a steering fault
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wadget
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This colision has very little to do with the colregs.
It was caused by interaction between the to vessels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxhaKlEhoc
This video shows how 2 ships close to each other can cause a change in heading without any change to the helm, the situations are slightly different but the principle is the same.
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sailorman
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I have watched the vid
overtaking vessel keeps clear. The BEX was too close to take avoiding action
overtaking vessel keeps clear. The BEX was too close to take avoiding action
wadget
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It looks to me like the smaller vessel was the overtaking vessel. Either way they are deck officers and should have been aware of the dangers of interaction between ships. But of course there may well have been pressure on them to proceed through the strait at full speed, so were unable to slow down.
Overtaking vessel keeps clear does not apply in this case as it was unable to. The smaller vessel does not alter course its, stern is pushed away from the bow of the larger ship causing its bow to be pushed in. The collision was caused by hydrodynamic interaction, not an alteration of course.
Overtaking vessel keeps clear does not apply in this case as it was unable to. The smaller vessel does not alter course its, stern is pushed away from the bow of the larger ship causing its bow to be pushed in. The collision was caused by hydrodynamic interaction, not an alteration of course.
