benjenbav
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The queue of onlookers mentioned by the MBY's reviewer wherever the above vessel went...
Presumably they were trying to pay in order to get a view of the Houses of Parliament from the river.
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The queue of onlookers mentioned by the MBY's reviewer wherever the above vessel went...
Presumably they were trying to pay in order to get a view of the Houses of Parliament from the river.
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Now, now! To the designer with the yellow bow tie, red braces and ring through his nose, it must have seemed like a great idea at the time. As for Steeler's board of directors, they must have taken the decision to build it during a factory outing to one of those 'Coffee' shops in Amsterdam. As for me, I'm wondering how I would encourage the SWMBO to jump from the sidedeck on to a pontoon holding the bow line
Whitelighter
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If your crew have to jump anwhere mike, you are doing it wrong...
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Ah but maybe I'm doing it right, JIf your crew have to jump anwhere mike, you are doing it wrong...
Imperial One
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Hmmm, as the Steeler agent for the UK I sense the need to take up the cudgel and defend the Panorama.............
Actually, it is not as high as you think from the photo, her max air draft is only 3.24m. It is a very seaworthy fully bespoke interior boat (standard Cat B or can be changed to be A very easily). It is designed by a proper Naval Architect (who may or may not smoke or drink coffee
) to be able to go anywhere on the inland waterways of Europe and also be totally at home at sea. Internally it has a flat floor and a very low COG. Access to pontoons is very easy from the bathing platform or from the 2 watertight doors midships. The actual height on the roof/fly area is not much higher than any modern FB crafts deck level. FWIW I was always taught that if you have to jump off a boat with a rope you need to be shown how to come alongside and use ropes properly and I am sure most will agree with me on this. Mooring really is actually simplicity itself.
We already have one of these in build for a very experienced UK boater who has owned a variety of craft from well known UK manufacturers as well as other Dutch craft. His will be an offshore boat and is being built in aluminium and should do 30+ knots yet still enable the owner to to go anywhere he likes in Europe as well with no faffing about lowering arches or taking windscreens off. Some photos of the hull in construction have been posted here http://steeleryachts.com/en/news/production-panorama-ff53-in-progress/ if you would like too see them.
On a recent visit last week, if the new Panorama awaiting delivery to its new owner had been available, the client with me, who was at first, surprised by the look of the boat, once on board was so impressed he would have taken it there and then - in the end he ordered another larger boat.
In the original test, 'the tester' made the comment that getting on and off could be difficult - he overlooked the fact that he was boarding onto the bathing platform from a high decking area in a boat shed not from a pontoon which would have been at bathing platform level. The Panorama has received Boat of the Year in Dusseldorf in 2015 and another Steeler, the 43 offshore, won again this year - the first time any company has won an award 2 years on the trot......so the 'Dutch coffee' would seem to work after all!
The Panorama, so named because wherever you are on the boat you have a Panoramic view, has sold to many new owners in both Steel and Aluminium versions. All being well, I hope to have one at SIBS so do come by and take look for yourself and see what really is something different and how well it works! It is not to everyones taste, indeed, it is best described as a marmite boat I guess. But, then again, not everyone likes a Targa style boat just as others do not like Flybridge boats.
We are all different and that is why we have a range of boats....all different, for different owners in different areas of the world and all with different needs and expectations.
Sorry to bang on but I actually rather like the concept so I suppose i am a bit defensive - and I like Marmite too!:encouragement:
Actually, it is not as high as you think from the photo, her max air draft is only 3.24m. It is a very seaworthy fully bespoke interior boat (standard Cat B or can be changed to be A very easily). It is designed by a proper Naval Architect (who may or may not smoke or drink coffee
) to be able to go anywhere on the inland waterways of Europe and also be totally at home at sea. Internally it has a flat floor and a very low COG. Access to pontoons is very easy from the bathing platform or from the 2 watertight doors midships. The actual height on the roof/fly area is not much higher than any modern FB crafts deck level. FWIW I was always taught that if you have to jump off a boat with a rope you need to be shown how to come alongside and use ropes properly and I am sure most will agree with me on this. Mooring really is actually simplicity itself.We already have one of these in build for a very experienced UK boater who has owned a variety of craft from well known UK manufacturers as well as other Dutch craft. His will be an offshore boat and is being built in aluminium and should do 30+ knots yet still enable the owner to to go anywhere he likes in Europe as well with no faffing about lowering arches or taking windscreens off. Some photos of the hull in construction have been posted here http://steeleryachts.com/en/news/production-panorama-ff53-in-progress/ if you would like too see them.
On a recent visit last week, if the new Panorama awaiting delivery to its new owner had been available, the client with me, who was at first, surprised by the look of the boat, once on board was so impressed he would have taken it there and then - in the end he ordered another larger boat.
In the original test, 'the tester' made the comment that getting on and off could be difficult - he overlooked the fact that he was boarding onto the bathing platform from a high decking area in a boat shed not from a pontoon which would have been at bathing platform level. The Panorama has received Boat of the Year in Dusseldorf in 2015 and another Steeler, the 43 offshore, won again this year - the first time any company has won an award 2 years on the trot......so the 'Dutch coffee' would seem to work after all!
The Panorama, so named because wherever you are on the boat you have a Panoramic view, has sold to many new owners in both Steel and Aluminium versions. All being well, I hope to have one at SIBS so do come by and take look for yourself and see what really is something different and how well it works! It is not to everyones taste, indeed, it is best described as a marmite boat I guess. But, then again, not everyone likes a Targa style boat just as others do not like Flybridge boats.
We are all different and that is why we have a range of boats....all different, for different owners in different areas of the world and all with different needs and expectations.
Sorry to bang on but I actually rather like the concept so I suppose i am a bit defensive - and I like Marmite too!:encouragement:
benjenbav
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Was that the boat that was featured a month or so back in MBY?
I don't like the looks of the Panorama but, having read the article - and now your comments - I understand why the concept might well appeal. And, of course, vive la difference. I'm no oil painting myself.
Garold
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I really like it, especially the interior.
High sided vessels are fine especially if someone can lassoe.
I also like this boat house on their site:
http://steeleryachts.com/en/new-and-preowned/schiphuis-boathouse-1520-in-heeg-year-2005-for-sale/25/
So much more civilised.
Informative post Imperial One. And a great reply.
Garold
High sided vessels are fine especially if someone can lassoe.
I also like this boat house on their site:
http://steeleryachts.com/en/new-and-preowned/schiphuis-boathouse-1520-in-heeg-year-2005-for-sale/25/
So much more civilised.
Informative post Imperial One. And a great reply.
Garold
Imperial One
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Thanks Benjenbav and Garold, your kind comments are much appreciated. 
I would have been back with a reply weeks ago but we have been crazy with deliveries and sea trials not to mention visits to Holland with customers and it slipped my attention. It is always difficult to write much on here as a dealer as I don't like to have people think I am trying to sell anything on the Forum! Benjenbav, I too was not sure about the design but oddly when I first saw it from the stern - which is really a design of beauty - and then went aboard, I suddenly had a change of heart and really understood the boat on all levels (no pun intended).
Benjenbav, Yes, the Panorama in build may well be the one being written about, the new owner of it does seem very pleased with his design and it is the first in Aluminium by all accounts............... not for me to confirm of course.:ambivalence:
Garold, your link is indeed one of the typical Dutch Boat Sheds, they are so fussy about how to look after their boats overwinter, many of them are heated and have doors that go into the water to really keep the boat inside snug and warm. Amazing really and not a lot of money - just imagine a row of those at Ocean Village! We have had them in the UK for years on the River Thames and elsewhere but not quite up to the Dutch standards. Some even have a secure space for the owners car to be in while away on the boat.
Some of you may have seen the 74 foot pilot house on the hammer head at Hamble Point. She is one of our recent sales and is now undergoing a small refit for the new owners before leaving for the Med. The old owner of her has ordered a new Steeler Explorer Pilothouse so the range really is capturing the attention of buyers looking for bespoke interiors and those with comfortable all weather cruising aspirations.
Mike.
I would have been back with a reply weeks ago but we have been crazy with deliveries and sea trials not to mention visits to Holland with customers and it slipped my attention. It is always difficult to write much on here as a dealer as I don't like to have people think I am trying to sell anything on the Forum! Benjenbav, I too was not sure about the design but oddly when I first saw it from the stern - which is really a design of beauty - and then went aboard, I suddenly had a change of heart and really understood the boat on all levels (no pun intended).
Benjenbav, Yes, the Panorama in build may well be the one being written about, the new owner of it does seem very pleased with his design and it is the first in Aluminium by all accounts............... not for me to confirm of course.:ambivalence:
Garold, your link is indeed one of the typical Dutch Boat Sheds, they are so fussy about how to look after their boats overwinter, many of them are heated and have doors that go into the water to really keep the boat inside snug and warm. Amazing really and not a lot of money - just imagine a row of those at Ocean Village! We have had them in the UK for years on the River Thames and elsewhere but not quite up to the Dutch standards. Some even have a secure space for the owners car to be in while away on the boat.
Some of you may have seen the 74 foot pilot house on the hammer head at Hamble Point. She is one of our recent sales and is now undergoing a small refit for the new owners before leaving for the Med. The old owner of her has ordered a new Steeler Explorer Pilothouse so the range really is capturing the attention of buyers looking for bespoke interiors and those with comfortable all weather cruising aspirations.
Mike.
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Mike, good to see you on the forum again defending your boats as of course every good dealer should! Each to his own as you say and I'm sure the lack of side decks makes the Panorama a very roomy and light boat but I still think it also makes for an impractical one too. For example how are you supposed to take a bow line forward in a Med mooring situation? An extra long boat hook? How happy is the average SWMBO going to be having to lift up heavy fenders from about 10ft below her feet? And when you are tied to a pontoon won't the angle of the mooring lines put extra strain on them and also scratch the paintwork?
PS Does that opening door in the saloon open inwards or outwards?
PS Does that opening door in the saloon open inwards or outwards?
Imperial One
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Hi Mike, thanks for your comments. We have come to be the Steeler UK dealership only very recently but are already most impressed with the yard and the boats themselves.
On that topic, sure the Panorama is not going to suit everyone, like I said in my first post, it is a Marmite boat.
To answer your specific questions, there are excellent walkways, albeit on the upper deck but that is not that high, this really is a low boat then photos are deceptive.
It's design really has been thought about very carefully and seeing it in the flesh will answer many of your own and no doubt others, misgivings.
The two midships doors open inwards and are able to be dogged down hard and are 100% watertight when closed.
We could hinge them to open outwards but that might not be a great idea for anyone passing by!
Taking a line forwards would be easy enough but I suspect that before I can convince you, we will need to show you a boat. Hopefully at SIBS all being well with the build time of the Alum indium 53.
Describe the "average SWMBO" please and tell me their lifting ability - if you dare!!
Mooring on a pontoon is not an issue as there are cleats on the sides of the boat as well as on the bow and stern so it will be no different to any other boat and being totally bespoke, if you want more cleats just ask and you will have them.
The Panorama is just one style of Steeler from a very comprehensive range of craft, it will never be everyones cup of tea but so far 8 have been built for use around Europe . FWIW, just to show how diverse our customers needs and wishes are, we currently have a Panorama, a 50 offshore in Aluminium and a displacement Pilothouse all in build for UK customers and an 85 in planning for further afield.
Take a look at our website or indeed the Steeler website as it has many good videos on it as well...................yes, all about boats!!!
Mike.
On that topic, sure the Panorama is not going to suit everyone, like I said in my first post, it is a Marmite boat.
To answer your specific questions, there are excellent walkways, albeit on the upper deck but that is not that high, this really is a low boat then photos are deceptive.
It's design really has been thought about very carefully and seeing it in the flesh will answer many of your own and no doubt others, misgivings.
The two midships doors open inwards and are able to be dogged down hard and are 100% watertight when closed.
We could hinge them to open outwards but that might not be a great idea for anyone passing by!
Taking a line forwards would be easy enough but I suspect that before I can convince you, we will need to show you a boat. Hopefully at SIBS all being well with the build time of the Alum indium 53.
Describe the "average SWMBO" please and tell me their lifting ability - if you dare!!
Mooring on a pontoon is not an issue as there are cleats on the sides of the boat as well as on the bow and stern so it will be no different to any other boat and being totally bespoke, if you want more cleats just ask and you will have them.
The Panorama is just one style of Steeler from a very comprehensive range of craft, it will never be everyones cup of tea but so far 8 have been built for use around Europe . FWIW, just to show how diverse our customers needs and wishes are, we currently have a Panorama, a 50 offshore in Aluminium and a displacement Pilothouse all in build for UK customers and an 85 in planning for further afield.
Take a look at our website or indeed the Steeler website as it has many good videos on it as well...................yes, all about boats!!!
Mike.
boatingdave
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Imperial One - excellent write up (actually good input from all so far). I like Marmite and especially like this vessel. Ironically I have a flybridge but the Steeler seems to make excellent use of space albeit with a little compromise. I'd never be able to afford one but good luck with the dealership and the new line. You are right of course, people have their own preferences as to what type of boat they like or dislike so the 'Marmite' comment can apply to any vessels depending on type and heritage but for me, generally I'm just happy to be on the water .
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Hi Mike, I hope the Steeler range works out for you and look forward to seeing you at SIBS if you are exhibiting. I have to ask but what happened to Van der Valk?
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Oh very droll bjb
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Imperial One
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VERY good indeed BJB - Interestingly if you google Van der Valk it's the TV programme that comes up first normally.
I used to enjoy the programme as well so I guess we are similar ages.
I used to enjoy the programme as well so I guess we are similar ages.
Imperial One
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Thanks Mike much appreciated, If the new builds are ready and available for SIBS I think we will have to have a Forumite evening on board just to meet everyone then get some feedback.
VDV just kind of came to a natural end, they were really chasing the Russian 30m+ market and the more European sized boats really became a little too costly IMHO so we decided to look elsewhere and were lucky enough to get the Steeler Brand offered to us. Great quality, flexible in every way to work with and the boats are all well priced too.
Bajansailor
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This design concept has been around for a while - apart from the Houses of Parliament tour vessel, the Steelers might have been inspired (?) by the Cutter 28 powerboat that was built in the USA in the 70's.
Approximately 400 of them were built, and the Builder even drove one across the Atlantic to prove that it was seaworthy (as he had so many people knocking it).
Here is a page from their brochure - rather than hijacking BJB's thread, I shall start another thread about this craft.
And here is a link to the other thread :
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...f-Benjenbav-s-Steelaway&p=5697547#post5697547
Approximately 400 of them were built, and the Builder even drove one across the Atlantic to prove that it was seaworthy (as he had so many people knocking it).
Here is a page from their brochure - rather than hijacking BJB's thread, I shall start another thread about this craft.
And here is a link to the other thread :
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...f-Benjenbav-s-Steelaway&p=5697547#post5697547
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