My new project... MFV Elizmor

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MagicIsland said:
I outsourced the lift, the first two "experts" tried to quote what it needed and the associated cost's, if i didn't know otherwise i would have been left with no option but to pay one of the quotes but previously (Reference to the big boat in the "My Big Project Thread") someone had moved the cradle without a crane, without 4 men (and a ground survey that they walked on) before (just like the big boats in the marina) and we managed to do it again ( without a quay collapsing) for reasonable money.......:o
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That is my experience of outsourcing.
It involves people who know nothing about the circumstances asking some one else who knows even less to commit themselves to a Service Level Agreement that bears no relation to the needs of the end user.

Lots of people add ignorance and margins, the user ends up having been promised a service is shafted by a mountain of ignorants.
The privatisation of BR was a good example, and it repeats itself perpetually.
 
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chewi said:
That is my experience of outsourcing.
It involves people who know nothing about the circumstances asking some one else who knows even less to commit themselves to a Service Level Agreement that bears no relation to the needs of the end user.

Lots of people add ignorance and margins, the user ends up having been promised a service is shafted by a mountain of ignorants.
The privatisation of BR was a good example, and it repeats itself perpetually.
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The outsourcing in the case of the land-bound Elizmor was to the contractor of choice who has a long and succesful history at Preston Docks.
 
Brings to mind the comment from somebody about the time that the flop movie 'Raise the Titanic' was made:

"Raise the Titanic! It would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic".

.....or summat like that.
 
chinita said:
Brings to mind the comment from somebody about the time that the flop movie 'Raise the Titanic' was made:

"Raise the Titanic! It would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic".

.....or summat like that.
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Said to have been Lew Grade's despairing comment as the costs of making the film kept rising.

I wonder if Eleanor has though of offering to change the boat's name in favour of a sponsor? The Good Ship Wallis (http://www.an-wallis.co.uk/) for example - for when you're well and truly grounded.
 
Looking at the photos of the boat it looks as though she's resting on wood with something like 20 square feet in contact with the ground so a ground load of around 2.5 tons per square foot. If a crane puts its outriggers on 1m * 1m steel plates the weight of the lift would be taken through 40 square feet + the area of the crane tyres. On that basis the crane would have to weigh a bit over 50 tons before the current ground loading is exceeded. (Excuse the mixture of SI and imperial units.)

I wonder how much it would cost to get an engineer to write this up on a clean sheet of paper (as opposed to my back-of-an-envelope) for the marina and their insurers to consider?
 
Thistle said:
Looking at the photos of the boat it looks as though she's resting on wood with something like 20 square feet in contact with the ground so a ground load of around 2.5 tons per square foot. If a crane puts its outriggers on 1m * 1m steel plates the weight of the lift would be taken through 40 square feet + the area of the crane tyres. On that basis the crane would have to weigh a bit over 50 tons before the current ground loading is exceeded. (Excuse the mixture of SI and imperial units.)

I wonder how much it would cost to get an engineer to write this up on a clean sheet of paper (as opposed to my back-of-an-envelope) for the marina and their insurers to consider?
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The difference between you and an engineer is that if the lift goes pear shaped you wont be seen for dust:)
Incidentally a crane weighing 50t will have a lifting capacity of about 60t and a capability of launching a 16/18t boat thats close to the quayside
 
Thistle said:
I wonder how much it would cost to get an engineer to write this up on a clean sheet of paper (as opposed to my back-of-an-envelope) for the marina and their insurers to consider?
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The marina are not bothered. Their crane won't lift the boat. It will have to be a contracted -in crane so it's the crane operator's insurer that has to be convinced.
Why would a commercial crane operator look at a less-than bullet-proof scheme? He will turn up to do the job with a crane with enough spare lifting capacity that has a valid cover for the lift.
It would seem that this is the stumbling block that the previous owner gave up the project on. It's all in the thread.
 
Thistle said:
Looking at the photos of the boat it looks as though she's resting on wood with something like 20 square feet in contact with the ground so a ground load of around 2.5 tons per square foot. If a crane puts its outriggers on 1m * 1m steel plates the weight of the lift would be taken through 40 square feet + the area of the crane tyres. On that basis the crane would have to weigh a bit over 50 tons before the current ground loading is exceeded. (Excuse the mixture of SI and imperial units.)
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Liebherr LTM 1200-5.1 (assuming that a 200t crane is indeed needed). Empty weight 60t. Counterbalance weight up to 74t, but might get away with 50t for this lift. So including 40t for Elizmore, there's 150t - 174t. Which, additionally, will not be evenly distributed as the boat is swung around. We did this about 1,000 posts up thataway ^^^^^^.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Last photographed on the quay at Preston a week or two ago. No known progress of any sort (emphasis on "known"). No apparent online activity by Eleanor anywhere since 17th January.

Lots of surmise, speculation, fantasy, stalking, vituperation, remonstrance, philosophy, suggestions, discussion and implausible suggestions about where one might stick a low-loader.
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Many thanks... I'll wait for Eleanor to update before doing any more trawling.. :)
 
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