My new project... MFV Elizmor

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clyst said:
Maybe you don't but her history proves she is . How else could you describe some one who conns money from the guilible .Her scribble on a yacht scam speaks volumes .
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I think it is unfair to call it a scam. Blagging, maybe, but people have been having whip rounds for years.

It's a generational thing, I suspect. Young people are much less reserved about asking their friends for financial or other physical help (raising money for gap year holidays, for example) but as Kickstarter shows, they are also much more generous about supporting other people's projects with small contributions which add up. They are also generally much more sanguine about being used as advertising fodder than we old farts.
 
JumbleDuck said:
I think it is unfair to call it a scam. Blagging, maybe, but people have been having whip rounds for years.

It's a generational thing, I suspect. Young people are much less reserved about asking their friends for financial or other physical help (raising money for gap year holidays, for example) but as Kickstarter shows, they are also much more generous about supporting other people's projects with small contributions which add up. They are also generally much more sanguine about being used as advertising fodder than we old farts.
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Now that I agree with, tis a generational thing or at least a post-virtual reality/instant media/viral possibilities thing... ( but I am-prob by personality- of the 'show us what you've done' school rather than the " tell us what you're gonna do" newer shinier one..

At age 18 I am sure I was a bad un thru and thru, no stones here to cast!
 
Lakesailor said:
Tell you what. You get some quotes for what you suggest. I bet it'll cost much less to just pay for the ground survey.
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Indeed, but hypothetically...as I wrote..

Now if we were in a craneless Indian dockyard, the boat would be in the water already I suspect..

Old Army joke. How do you build a bridge? ''Sergeant, build me a bridge by 1500hrs'', ''Yes Sir, right away Sir''
 
clyst said:
Steadt bluey its the duck that exposed JE for what she is ...... A scammer . Wise up and smell the coffee .Her scamming history indicates that She preys on gullible people ..... ,she must love you .
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Fair enuff, thx for the heads up. But as I have met the OP a fair few times, what some may see as scamming, I dont see. Elbows out and push a bit, try this, try that, move on..We are all 'there' with our houses, boats, careers. I would hate to be starting out again ( though ahem it might be fun too)
 
I was told by those who write for the yachty mags that they do ( used to ?) like it a bit doom n gloom.. This MFVs story might be just the ticket ? Hopefully with a fully paid up, drama free launch and a Gardner that having been worked on over the past year will tickety tick nicely all the way to a new life dahn sarf..Wots not to like?
 
JumbleDuck said:
I think it is unfair to call it a scam. Blagging, maybe, but people have been having whip rounds for years.

It's a generational thing, I suspect. Young people are much less reserved about asking their friends for financial or other physical help (raising money for gap year holidays, for example) but as Kickstarter shows, they are also much more generous about supporting other people's projects with small contributions which add up. They are also generally much more sanguine about being used as advertising fodder than we old farts.
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We all turn to friends when in need . No problem with that but to conn the public in donating money to scribble on a ,what was then , a non existing boat is a pure scam . It certainly isn't entrepreneurial as she claims
 
clyst said:
We all turn to friends when in need . No problem with that but to conn the public in donating money to scribble on a ,what was then , a non existing boat is a pure scam . It certainly isn't entrepreneurial as she claims
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Didn't a F1 driver do this several years ago with a real F1 car?
 
I do agree scammer may be a bit harsh, but I think the description "chancer" is pretty close. Unfortunately the modern world with its checks & balances doesn't make it as easy for a chancer to get things done as it used to be...
 
Has this been mentioned? Fill the basin to level with the quay side and slide her in (like some ships are launched) Also how are they shifting the much bigger vessel next door? Is it 'La Roche'?
 
MrB said:
That was Red Bull for the "Wings for Life" charity. A little different. They were not asking you to buy them a car.
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I don't think it was. I've got a feeling it was Anthony Davidson in a car at the back of the grid trying to raise individual sponsors.
 
Blueboatman said:
We are all 'there' with our houses, boats, careers.
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That may be the case for 'our' generation.

It was not the case for the previous ones.

My grandmother struggled to buy a house in the thirties. She had a disabled husband (bus crash) and took on three jobs to keep it all together. She even managed to put my father through public school (although he got the ONLY free place).

She only bought what she had saved up for, never 'blagging, scamming or chancing' anything. My parent's generation were not far off either. In fact, even I remember my first mortgage which took up something like 75% of my net salary. And, contrary to popular opinion, it was not easy to secure. From memory 80% and we SAVED for the deposit.

IMO the constant media insistence that the Baby Boomers got something for nothing is providing younger generations with some sort of justification for making an easy buck.
 
Having now got very fed up with this thread, could somebody please be kind enough to make an announcement elsewhere on the site when something of interest has happened.

I regretting looking at this each and every time I do, thereby getting frustrated AND logging another VIEW to a thread which is going absolutely no-where!

Thanks in advance.
 
This whole thing is ridiculous, I know from my work that involves site managing heavy lifts all the time that the pressure on the ground per square meter is much less with a 500 ton crane with load spreading mats than a standard HGV exerts. We go through this argument all the time. I calculated at one time when arguing with a factory site manager that the lift was safe that if I stood on one leg I was exerting more force per meter squared than the crane was and I didn't disappear into the ground. The problem usually is that there is nobody with any conviction to say we have taken all reasonably practicable actions to ensure the job is completed safely and so we can continue. If they use a small crane for lifting small boats it undoubtedly exerts far more pressure on the ground and I am sure they take no precaution for load spreading with the exception of the standard load mats that come with the crane. If they were to have the ground tested all they do is bring in a known mass and sit it on a square block on the ground and see how far it sinks in the ground I would have thought this is not exactly rocket science and should not be prohibitively expensive. I personally have witnessed an 500ton crane setting up with two pairs of 6m square mats to get the point loading less than 30 tons per meter squared and then asked the driver of the articulated lorry carrying the counterbalance weights how heavy his lorry was and it was 120 Tons by my calculation a lorry would be approx 1 meter squared on the ground per side of lorry so giving point loading of 60 tons per meter squared and no reference to this was made. The crane itself was 90 ton gross weight and drove in on about 2m of surface area of tyres so that was 45 ton. ETC.........
 
chinita said:
That may be the case for 'our' generation.

It was not the case for the previous ones.

My grandmother struggled to buy a house in the thirties. She had a disabled husband (bus crash) and took on three jobs to keep it all together. She even managed to put my father through public school (although he got the ONLY free place).

She only bought what she had saved up for, never 'blagging, scamming or chancing' anything. My parent's generation were not far off either. In fact, even I remember my first mortgage which took up something like 75% of my net salary. And, contrary to popular opinion, it was not easy to secure. From memory 80% and we SAVED for the deposit.

IMO the constant media insistence that the Baby Boomers got something for nothing is providing younger generations with some sort of justification for making an easy buck.
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I think you have summed up cultural perception, absolutely spot on.

Now, the post baby boom freeloaders are being asked to work longer and pay in more.. ''There may be trouble ahead...''

My first house, I drove ( and drove) to a point where I could afford to buy, albeit with a small mortgage. The rest, like the petrol, timings, major diy, logisitics of working in London , were in essence details..Not only did I get v little support or encouragement from my family and peers, but some laughed smugly too and belittled my difficulties in trying to get to grips 'with the real world'..Possibly unfairly, too !
 
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