My new project... MFV Elizmor

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Iain C said:
I'm genuinely gobsmacked by this thread (and the others spawned from it) now.
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I don't think it's surprising. She was using this thread as a tool to extract stuff from sponsors. Later it seems she may have been using it to try to bring some pressure to bear on Preston Marina. That sort of use of social media is normal in some contexts, but not here. People don't like feeling that they are being exploited or played for mugs.

I don't think there is a single person here, myself included, who will not be delighted when Elizmor has been launched successfully and when the voyage to Brighton is safely over.
 
JumbleDuck said:
I don't think it's surprising. She was using this thread as a tool to extract stuff from sponsors. Later it seems she may have been using it to try to bring some pressure to bear on Preston Marina. That sort of use of social media is normal in some contexts, but not here. People don't like feeling that they are being exploited or played for mugs.

I don't think there is a single person here, myself included, who will not be delighted when Elizmor has been launched successfully and when the voyage to Brighton is safely over.
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Well summarised. Spot on.:encouragement:
 
I hope people will understand if I refuse to get drawn into the derogatory comments about Ellie. My only though these last few weeks is that given the weather, the boat is almost certainly better off sitting on the hard…

Hopefully when this continuous stream of intense low pressure systems finally abate and we start to get some more settled weather, she will be able to launch and burn some diesel on her way south.
 
fisherman said:
Yerbut, the next thing would be to stand a, say 100kg weight on a small point, say 10mm sided square. 1000 tons/sq metre. Meaningless.
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The point is not missed, it draws observation into the world we live in where we want a risk assessment on everything to cover what just might happen because we all sue the hell out of each other, what were taking about is a gamble, someone comes along say's it will cost £x to insure the risk, it doesn't mean the risk is mitigated just the fact that "my @rse is covered" if it goes wrong, everyone will be afraid to walk through the meadows soon.....even though history suggest we have done is safely for 100's of years unless we have life cover etc (Just to be clear drawing attention to the fact the Boat was lifted out years ago, stood on the same plot of quay happily for several years and from what other have said , bigger boats have all been launched without any reported quay collapse ). So where does it all end :ambivalence:
 
I think you should all get off her case and give her some breathing space. Put yourself or one of your loved ones in her shoes. Whatever the causes, she appears to have a potentially life-changing problem to sort out and the stress might well put any normal person over the edge. It wouldn't hurt anyone to show some kindness.
 
MagicIsland said:
So where does it all end?
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Over 2 million (c. 5%) of the workforce work in UK construction. Yet the sector accounts for 27% of all fatalities. Construction fatalities are down by circa two thirds since the 1980s. In 2013 there were still 39 deaths. This downward trend will end when society deems that the cost of saving one more life exceeds the perceived benefit of doing so.
 
ChattingLil said:
I think you should all get off her case and give her some breathing space. Put yourself or one of your loved ones in her shoes. Whatever the causes, she appears to have a potentially life-changing problem to sort out and the stress might well put any normal person over the edge. It wouldn't hurt anyone to show some kindness.
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Top Post. There but for the grace of, etc

PBO: Practical Boat Owner, not Pernicious Boring Oldies?
 
MagicIsland said:
The point is not missed, it draws observation into the world we live in where we want a risk assessment on everything to cover what just might happen because we all sue the hell out of each other, what were taking about is a gamble, someone comes along say's it will cost £x to insure the risk, it doesn't mean the risk is mitigated just the fact that "my @rse is covered" if it goes wrong, everyone will be afraid to walk through the meadows soon.....even though history suggest we have done is safely for 100's of years unless we have life cover etc (Just to be clear drawing attention to the fact the Boat was lifted out years ago, stood on the same plot of quay happily for several years and from what other have said , bigger boats have all been launched without any reported quay collapse ). So where does it all end :ambivalence:
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I think that if it was quite that easy crane companies would have been lining up to take five grand for a day's work. The graveyards are full of people who said "What can possibly go wrong?" UK Health and Safety principles and legislation are things to be proud of.
 
ChattingLil said:
I think you should all get off her case and give her some breathing space. Put yourself or one of your loved ones in her shoes. Whatever the causes, she appears to have a potentially life-changing problem to sort out and the stress might well put any normal person over the edge. It wouldn't hurt anyone to show some kindness.
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I think that if JE were to come back here, tell us what is happening and, if necessary, say "I goofed. Help." she'd get nothing but kindness, sympathy and understanding.
 
skipper_stu said:
Blagger I think is the best word.
Ra Ra Ra, make lots of excited noises, clap hands, im important, look at me, facebook, twitter, ra ra ra, i must be important i wrote a book, look at my hair and dippy hippy clothes, im important, i havent grown up yet, jump up and down and clap hands, ooh arent i cute, and so it goes on!
Sorry Ellie but at some point you have to grow up, you are an adult now, you have bought a money pit, its going to cost you a pile of money, get a proper job, earn some corks and then go and splash it!
Stu
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What a nasty little man you are.

What on earth has she has done to you to prompt such an outpouring of hatred?

I've said it before on here, and I'll repeat it for your benefit, there's something badly wrong with your mind.
 
ChattingLil said:
I think you should all get off her case and give her some breathing space. Put yourself or one of your loved ones in her shoes. Whatever the causes, she appears to have a potentially life-changing problem to sort out and the stress might well put any normal person over the edge. It wouldn't hurt anyone to show some kindness.
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life changing problem ?? Where do you get that from ??
 
prv said:
Small world. A mate of mine was all set up to buy that boat - indeed we were on the road to Preston when the previous owner phoned to say he'd sold her. Mate was rather pissed off in fact, as he thought the owner hadn't been straight with him about the other prospects (ie you :) ) but I'm not sure about the details. Hardly matters now, anyway.

Would be very interested to hear how you get on with her.

Pete
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I suspect that your mate may well have had a narrow escape.
 
MrB said:
It's not about spreading the load, Preston Marina said themselves that the dock side could take it, but for insurance purposes a ground survey would be required. The only thing stopping the lift in here is Ellie paying for it.
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No. The only thing stopping the lift is the underwriter(s) knowing about the situation, listening to reason, and letting the lift take place.
 
owen-cox said:
This whole thing is ridiculous, I know from my work that involves site managing heavy lifts all the time that the pressure on the ground per square meter is much less with a 500 ton crane with load spreading mats than a standard HGV exerts. We go through this argument all the time. I calculated at one time when arguing with a factory site manager that the lift was safe that if I stood on one leg I was exerting more force per meter squared than the crane was and I didn't disappear into the ground. The problem usually is that there is nobody with any conviction to say we have taken all reasonably practicable actions to ensure the job is completed safely and so we can continue. If they use a small crane for lifting small boats it undoubtedly exerts far more pressure on the ground and I am sure they take no precaution for load spreading with the exception of the standard load mats that come with the crane. If they were to have the ground tested all they do is bring in a known mass and sit it on a square block on the ground and see how far it sinks in the ground I would have thought this is not exactly rocket science and should not be prohibitively expensive. I personally have witnessed an 500ton crane setting up with two pairs of 6m square mats to get the point loading less than 30 tons per meter squared and then asked the driver of the articulated lorry carrying the counterbalance weights how heavy his lorry was and it was 120 Tons by my calculation a lorry would be approx 1 meter squared on the ground per side of lorry so giving point loading of 60 tons per meter squared and no reference to this was made. The crane itself was 90 ton gross weight and drove in on about 2m of surface area of tyres so that was 45 ton. ETC.........
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THIS is what the underwriter(s) need to understand...
 
ChattingLil said:
she may be young, but if she has sunk all her money and maybe borrowings into this project and she cannot make it pay off, then that could be life-changing. It's a horrible situation to be in.
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The worst that will happen - I hope - is that Elizmor may have to stay ashore a bit longer until her owner can raise a bit more money or perhaps until one of the other big boats there needs to go in too and can share the costs. At least it's a problem with a known solution.
 
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