Blueboatman
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I'm just surprised no crane company has sponsored a freebie lift and no ground engineer has been persuaded to do a freebie survey
Since the gagging order that we guess is in effect, how would we know ?
My new project... MFV Elizmor
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Since the gagging order that we guess is in effect, how would we know ?
MrB
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I'm just surprised no crane company has sponsored a freebie lift and no ground engineer has been persuaded to do a freebie survey
Post #810:encouragement:
Lakesailor
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I'm just surprised no crane company has sponsored a freebie lift and no ground engineer has been persuaded to do a freebie survey
I'm sure if it was a charity ship to give free voyages to challenged children that such offers would have been made and the job done.
Just transpose the situation to property
Young person buys old house requiring renovation.
Finds out more money than is available is needed.
Sells property at a loss.
An everyday story of young folk.
dom
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In the investment community we have a simple rule when a trade goes wrong, "CUT IT ...AND WRITE THE MUSICAL LATER!". In this case the OP may find that hard and potentially face a huge loss if she did. Meanwhile us lot are already writing the musical and have even started to cast it!
The sad reality is that the OP may find it hard to cut this trade easily. She will likely find it difficult to sell the boat without putting her in the water first as it will only appeal to a tiny constituency ashore. If she succeeds in launching it and runs up the engine - all of you know in your heart and soul what will happen, and that won't be cheap to repair. If OP just walks away, Preston may take the regrettable decision to scrap the vessel, but they will now face the Historic Ships mob wanting to put all sorts of expensive restrictions on its dismantling ...potentially leading to a further claim against the OP.
This is basically why investment houses place restrictions on illiquid (i.e. hard to sell) assets. You may end up facing the choice of putting a shed-load of money and time into a company to sort it out, or hand it over to the creditors and lose everything.
If this is what is happening: the free anchors, GPSs and what not will pale into insignificance as the project ends in disaster; albeit due to youthful naivety. It will be one hell of harsh lesson for just dreaming a bit too much; but probably better than taking the dear old lady with her damp and weeping sides back out into the Irish Sea in April.
The sad reality is that the OP may find it hard to cut this trade easily. She will likely find it difficult to sell the boat without putting her in the water first as it will only appeal to a tiny constituency ashore. If she succeeds in launching it and runs up the engine - all of you know in your heart and soul what will happen, and that won't be cheap to repair. If OP just walks away, Preston may take the regrettable decision to scrap the vessel, but they will now face the Historic Ships mob wanting to put all sorts of expensive restrictions on its dismantling ...potentially leading to a further claim against the OP.
This is basically why investment houses place restrictions on illiquid (i.e. hard to sell) assets. You may end up facing the choice of putting a shed-load of money and time into a company to sort it out, or hand it over to the creditors and lose everything.
If this is what is happening: the free anchors, GPSs and what not will pale into insignificance as the project ends in disaster; albeit due to youthful naivety. It will be one hell of harsh lesson for just dreaming a bit too much; but probably better than taking the dear old lady with her damp and weeping sides back out into the Irish Sea in April.
Blueboatman
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I like the thinking. Top post thus far
Brighton marina where the OP hails from actually uses air bags to correct a permanent list on the enormous concrete holidayhome barge there, year in year out.. With annual inspections, novel and effective.
I am far to sensible to think that a couple of Bouncy Castles each side would do it .
but.. I like the idea of just rolling/towing/dragging the boat along on a large number of squishy air bags to the yards designated craning-in location
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clyst
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Hmmmmm historic ship/ boat ? If it was in its original form I could understand it being accepted but not with the hideous box on top . It appears very little of the original boat remains .
pvb
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See also #712...
JumbleDuck
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I wouldn't be quite so pessimistic. I'm pretty sure Ellie said she'd had the engines professionally examined, and if they were good when Elizmor came out is there really much that can happen to a great big low-revving low-stressed diesel in ten years ashore? Mind you, I'd be a bit wary that something might happen, in which case i really hope Plan B (and funds for it) are in place.
Rigger Mortice
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Engines don't take kindly to being left unused for long periods of time. Things like oil seals stop sealing. Rust can build up internally. Springs can stop being quite so springy. Hoses deteriorate. The effects can be mitigated to some extent by turning the engine over regularly but the ageing process still continues
chinita
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JumbleDuck
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See what happens when I try to be positive and upbeat?
Not really. I think a properly looked after diesel should survive quite happily, particularly if recommissioned by someone who knows what they are doing.Despite Mr Mortice's warning, which I am sure is well considered, I'd be surprised if anything had gone very wrong with it. I don't think I'd set sail for Brighton at once, but then Ellie said she'd spend some time doing short local trips and ensuring that everything was OK.
ShinyShoe
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She's got her certificate...
clyst
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Yes I know but but in its present mode I don't see much historic about it .
Moodyjim
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By the time it's launched it will be!
NUTMEG
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I have followed, and read, all of this thread (I need to get out more perhaps). If the collective wisdom is correct (big if) and Ellie has been asked to desist, could she not at least tell her followers here that that is the case? Just dropping out of sight seems a bit rude, does it not? She has a lot of goodwill here (or had, at least). Would be nice to at least update this thread, no need for details.
alpha100
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I completely agree with you.
I joined YBW only a few days ago and read the story of Ellie's new dream, new boat and new home. Her project and ambitions captivated a great many people and if the power of goodwill could have launched a boat, she would be sailing by now.
Unfortunately launching created problems but the goodwill towards her didn't falter. The number of people who were obviously professionals in many relevant fields and who took the time and trouble to offer good advice, showed just how much support Ellie had.
It seems very strange to me that Ellie has not responded or corresponded. She was the one who began this thread and a simple message to the people who showed her so much support would seem reasonable, it's just a common courtesy. It seems very wrong of her to ignore and totally dismiss the great many people who tried to help her.
Seajet
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I tried to PM Ellie again a couple of days ago, no reply; I have also been contacted by a friend of hers who can't get a reply to quite a few mails / PM's.
It was mentioned a while ago that she had to go to hospital so one must hope she's OK.
As for the launch I'm still confident it will happen one way or another; if it was my boat I'be thinking of rollers, airbags, Jumbleducks' hover attachments, anything but I'm damn sure I'd get that boat launched, even if the method required doing it at night without awkward spectators and questions !
It was mentioned a while ago that she had to go to hospital so one must hope she's OK.
As for the launch I'm still confident it will happen one way or another; if it was my boat I'be thinking of rollers, airbags, Jumbleducks' hover attachments, anything but I'm damn sure I'd get that boat launched, even if the method required doing it at night without awkward spectators and questions !
KevO
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I don't believe anyone has said she can't be launched only that she can't be launched for a price that Ellie can or will pay.
I bet the previous owner is extremely pleased that Ellie came along.
Cardo
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I bet the previous owner is extremely pleased that Ellie came along.
Not the first time or the last time!
I'm sure we've all bought items (likely boats!) that we maybe should've looked into a bit more thoroughly before diving in. I certainly know I would've bargained a lot harder for our boat if I knew then what I know now!
But, she was the right boat at the right time, and we can all get carried away. We have or are sorting out the problems with our boats, at greater expense than we'd hoped, and I'm sure Ellie will do the same.
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