My new project... MFV Elizmor

[ShinyShoe]

But in the same time,if they really want to they can probably lower the price.

If I read the Preston post right, that is exactly what they wanted to do and so advised her not to lift until she had negotiated a lower cost. But Ellie may have taken her ball home by saying she'd sort her own lift.

It seems that there was a rush to get an insurance quote over the Christmas period. Insurance is an old-school sector. It is gentlemanly, relaxed and convivial. There will have been too many unknowns, and knowledge gaps have led to a high premium quotation, especially if more junior staff were involved - covering the desks of senior colleagues who are often entitled to a lot more leave.

Hope she hasn't burned any bridges. Completely understand her impatience to get the boat in the water. Not sure I'd have wanted mine in the water for the last few weeks though!

Of course the impatience of the watching tinternet mob probably doesn't help her!

 

[Hadenough]

Insurance is an old-school sector. It is gentlemanly, relaxed and convivial.

It may well have been in the 20th century but it certainly isn't now! Just today I have had two calls from claims chaser (lawyer) about a motor accident I had three years ago and was settled two years ago. My rental property insurance is due in ten days time and I am fighting off quotation offers. My boat insurance took weeks of wrangling to define the wear and tear / maintenance issue. The days of an old buffer at Lloyd's looking benignly at a special case are long gone I think.

 

[john]

I'm impressed by the response from Preston Marina and it seems they have tried to be as helpful as possible - even offering some free items from the chandlery. It's good to have a bit of perspective on this thread.

 

[[27631]]

You buy a boat like that ................50-60 tonnes ...and big....with little knowledge of that type of vessel.....you do the research on........survey,launch costs etc.... first..not after you have foolishly paid for it...and you dont beg for charity for equipment etc to get it afloat after the event............hippy hand out attitude
.....bit SAD....not a bargain on the hard after all..................................

 

[Shuggy]

You buy a boat like that ................50-60 tonnes ...and big....with little knowledge of that type of vessel.....you do the research on........survey,launch costs etc.... first..not after you have foolishly paid for it...and you dont beg for charity for equipment etc to get it afloat after the event............hippy hand out attitude
.....bit SAD....not a bargain on the hard after all..................................

Depending on their context and placement in a sentence, ellipses can also indicate an unfinished thought, a slight pause, and nervous or awkward silence. The most common form of an ellipsis is a row of three periods or full stops. Yours is less common. ;-)

 

[Greenheart]

Depending on their context and placement in a sentence, ellipses can also indicate an unfinished thought, a slight pause, and nervous or awkward silence. The most common form of an ellipsis is a row of three periods or full stops. Yours is less common. ;-)

Written as by Sundancer above, it seems to suggest the typist has had a few this evening, and is delayed in his train of thought! Sorry if that's not the case, but it reads that way.

Funny how opinions in a thread flit this way and that like tides...one hour disapproval is aimed at stony-hearted marina-staff, next it's a flood of wise, slow head-shaking, aimed at the impossibly naive boat-owner. I don't think Ellie's been daft at all - and I thought we'd successfully stamped out the weirdly mistaken impression that she was somehow lucky or grasping in accepting sponsorship by chandlers...where on earth did the thought behind "you don't beg for charity for equipment etc to get it afloat" come from?

All the same, the marina seems to have done all it could and should have, so I've little doubt she'll have to bite the bullet and pay the excessive-seeming amount quoted for craning.

It'll be a relief to read about how the old boat actually does what boats are meant to do.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

It'll be a relief to read about how the old boat actually does what boats are meant to do.

Quite. However, in the meantime we all continue to indirectly contribute to her cause, by prolonging the debate here, increasing the page views on this thread, and generating click-through traffic to www.elizmor.co.uk - all of which supports her sponsors! It's a win-win! (Well almost - it'll be a win-win-win when the boat gets launched)

 

[Greenheart]

...meantime we all continue to indirectly contribute to her cause, by prolonging the debate here, increasing the page views on this thread, and generating click-through traffic to www.elizmor.co.uk - all of which supports her sponsors!

Good grief, are we being used, milked, somehow? :numbness: It's certainly a while since mademoiselle piped up and expressed herself...of course I have heard that young persons like she are inclined to spend Friday nights in places other than their living-rooms, in front of the computer. That must be the life...

 

[Shuggy]

I for one really hope that Ellie gets to launch her boat and sail/motor her. I contributed to the original 'give me £5 and get your company name on the hull' campaign and I still support her. I love that old MFVs can still have a future (having owned something similar myself in the past) and hope that the launching problems can be overcome. If it was not for people like J_E then these boat would rot in yards everywhere. Good on you, J_E. I didn't buy an old wreck until I was 34 and wish I could have done it sooner.

 

[MYStargazer]

It may well have been in the 20th century but it certainly isn't now! Just today I have had two calls from claims chaser (lawyer) about a motor accident I had three years ago and was settled two years ago. My rental property insurance is due in ten days time and I am fighting off quotation offers. My boat insurance took weeks of wrangling to define the wear and tear / maintenance issue. The days of an old buffer at Lloyd's looking benignly at a special case are long gone I think.

I'm talking about senior underwriters. Not lawyers. Not claims departments. Not aggressive retail brokers.

 

[MYStargazer]

Hope she hasn't burned any bridges. Completely understand her impatience to get the boat in the water. Not sure I'd have wanted mine in the water for the last few weeks though!

She won't have. Even if tempers were frayed, we're talking about someone's home - not a piece of hobby equipment.

 

[john_morris_uk]

You buy a boat like that ................50-60 tonnes ...and big....with little knowledge of that type of vessel.....you do the research on........survey,launch costs etc.... first..not after you have foolishly paid for it...and you dont beg for charity for equipment etc to get it afloat after the event............hippy hand out attitude
.....bit SAD....not a bargain on the hard after all..................................

The hippy comment is inaccurate and in many ways wrong. Eleanor might have a hairstyle which is not everyones cup of tea, but she is commercially astute and I don't believe for one moment that she begs for charity. She knows full well the cost of getting favours and deals and sponsorship and I suspect that the suppliers get their money's worth.

 

[Latestarter1]

For many years I was in the position to sponsor causes and in many cases many were marine. I had access to engines which for various reasons (ex-endurance testing, or simply redundant stock etc.) which we did not want to sell into the open market. However I did have one rule, donated equipment should always go to a body and not to an individual.

Eleanor is self-confessed live-aboard, no problem with that, she is also a smart operator and well versed in the power of marketing and the use of all the tools and experience at her disposal to purchase a very large vessel for a new home which under normal circumstances maybe beyond her means.
The type of vessel in question is not particularly rare and does come from well-respected builder, but despite all the euphoria over inclusion in the Register of Historic Ships simply gives Eleanor another lever to pull in the publicity game, nothing more nothing less.

Personally I believe that the industry owes Eleanor nothing, this is to be her home, this is not a charity and as for the gullible plonks who have donated money it leaves me staggered, I must remember this one, when I want to build an extension on my house, sponsor a brick would be a good wheeze.

Thank goodness Preston Marina felt the need in the face of the well-engineered media onslaught to put the whole matter into perspective.
Eleanor can have her big boat ego trip, however expecting concessions, hand outs or special discounts on services from our industry is a complete nonsense.

 

[Salty John]

Well done to Preston Marina. They seem to be taking a sympathetic but responsible view of the affair and I'm quite sure that Ellie appreciates that.
The boat will get launched - we just don't yet know at what cost.

 

[bigwow]

Have you tried contacting BBC Northwest Tonight or Granada Reports? An unusual local interest story usually solicits assistance when TV publicity is there for the taking.

 

[Cardo]

I may get flamed for this, but I really feel the urge to ask...

Ellie, why have a number of companies "sponsored" you? I see Garmin gave you a plotter, that fender co. gave you a load of fenders, and now Lewmar have supplied you a 50kg anchor.
As I understand it, this isn't some charity event, you're simply sorting out your new boat for you to live on. I appreciate you have a blog, and you post about stuff on here. Much like many other people do, who also live on boats.

I live on a boat, and I have a blog. Should I be asking the various companies to provide me free kit? I'd be quite happy to plaster their company logo on my blog if it would get me freebies.

This may be a tinge of jealousy, seeing as I've paid for all the goodies on my boat; but I simply don't understand why you're getting free stuff?

In my case, it doesn't encourage me to purchase stuff from those companies.

 

[[27631]]

For many years I was in the position to sponsor causes and in many cases many were marine. I had access to engines which for various reasons (ex-endurance testing, or simply redundant stock etc.) which we did not want to sell into the open market. However I did have one rule, donated equipment should always go to a body and not to an individual.

Eleanor is self-confessed live-aboard, no problem with that, she is also a smart operator and well versed in the power of marketing and the use of all the tools and experience at her disposal to purchase a very large vessel for a new home which under normal circumstances maybe beyond her means.
The type of vessel in question is not particularly rare and does come from well-respected builder, but despite all the euphoria over inclusion in the Register of Historic Ships simply gives Eleanor another lever to pull in the publicity game, nothing more nothing less.

Personally I believe that the industry owes Eleanor nothing, this is to be her home, this is not a charity and as for the gullible plonks who have donated money it leaves me staggered, I must remember this one, when I want to build an extension on my house, sponsor a brick would be a good wheeze.

Thank goodness Preston Marina felt the need in the face of the well-engineered media onslaught to put the whole matter into perspective.
Eleanor can have her big boat ego trip, however expecting concessions, hand outs or special discounts on services from our industry is a complete nonsense.

.....hear,hear........I agree .......

 

[Iain C]

Jesus people, lighten up, will you?

OK so there's been a bit of a cock up. Ellie should have had more info before she signed on the line, granted. But it's not a totally unreasonable assumption that if you found a boat in a boatyard for sale, you would be able to put it back in the water in the same manner it came out. I expect many of us would have made the same mistake, especially when caught up in the excitement of a new boat/home purchase. But then everything in life is easy, right? There's never any unforeseen issues, no? Incredible how all the bloody experts come crawling out the woodwork now rather than on page 1 of this thread. I'm sure we all understand Ellie's frustration, and also totally see the viewpoint of the yard too. I'm sure there will be a solution, even if it does come down to Ellie selling her other boat early, negotiating a discount from the lifters, biting the bullet and learning by experience.

And for goodness sake just drop it when it comes to the "handouts". No commercial operation would sponsor Elizmor unless they saw a return. We've covered this before. They didn't say "here, have some cash, go and buy yourself something nice". They gave the boat equipment, at minimal cost to themselves, that is mentioned time and time again on the UK's most popular sailing forum, the blog, and the forthcoming magazine articles in PBO. If this is too difficult a concept to grasp then I give up. Are you familiar with the concepts of advertising/product promotion/return on investment? Why don't you try and get some kit then? I guess they will say "no" as they feel you have nothing to offer in return.

There's clearly some very jealous people on this thread. Remarks about "big boat ego trip" are ridiculous. Does Ellie own a house? No, she has the boat instead. Perhaps therefor all homeowners are egotistical property tycoons? Incredible that people get so worked up over some fenders and a chart plotter whilst corporations fiddle tax, people fiddle benefits, and MPs fiddle expenses. Get a sense of perspective for goodness sake people and perhaps only contribute to the thread if you have something positive to say.

I don't see anyone flaming Dylan for the time and materials for the welly Centaur? No one calling "Shame on you Tohatsu" for offering him an outboard? Using the time of the chap from West Resins to improve Dylan's own personal holiday yacht, which shock horror he's going to sell at the end of the trip? Perhaps one of the naysayers can point out the difference, because right now I'm really struggling to see it. Two people, two boats, interesting stories, lots of great publicity and a strong internet and magazine presence...hmmm, I'm obviously missing something here. Help please people.

Good luck Ellie & Preston marina, I'm sure it will all get worked out soon. Keep the updates coming Ellie.

 

[Twister_Ken]

What Iain C just said.

"Hear, hear", to quote a politician or three.

 

[clyst]

Have you tried contacting BBC Northwest Tonight or Granada Reports? An unusual local interest story usually solicits assistance when TV publicity is there for the taking.

What makes JE plight newsworthy ??