My new project... MFV Elizmor

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How far back from the quay can the crane get, maybe better to use an oversized unit set well back, it can then use its extra reach to keep well away from any area that might be damaged.

Exactly that is currently going on at Woolverstone marina where the crane dock is currently unusable so there is a large crane sitting a good 15m back from the waters edge lifting boats with no sweat whatsoever.

Mind you reduction in insurance may well be outweighed by the extra cost of the crane

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"The name of a company that overlooked endless risk-calculation and had the quayside collapse followed by the crane toppling in on top of the boat, would be remembered long-term."

For the sake of readers who might be misled, I didn't write that, Mr Bennet did when he playfully misquoted me. :)
 
I think I see some of the problems, the ideal lift would be with the crane at Elizmor's bow. On the one hand work has been done in that area to accommodate the lock gate mechanism, so must be a known quantity, OTOH it's a long reach across to the lock. If the yard is as crowded as in googlemap there is not much room to spread the crane stabilisers. I agree that publicity to winkle out a crane is good, but would refer back to #185, oversize helps.
 
fisherman said:
I think I see some of the problems, the ideal lift would be with the crane at Elizmor's bow. On the one hand work has been done in that area to accommodate the lock gate mechanism, so must be a known quantity, OTOH it's a long reach across to the lock. If the yard is as crowded as in googlemap there is not much room to spread the crane stabilisers. I agree that publicity to winkle out a crane is good, but would refer back to #185, oversize helps.
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Just looked at the map. Whereabouts is she?
 
TimBennet said:
Outer gate I think. On the corner.
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Is that Elizmore with the green-ish coloured decks/cover?
Next to a red roofed building?
If so, rats.
I thought she was lying on the North side of the yard, in which case it might be worth seeing if the Ribble Steam Train people have a railway crane capable of lifting her onto a bogie and launching her into the inner lock off the bridge.
Best laid plans...
 
Have you had Ainscough in? They have a special lifting division that used to be called Vanguard and they design and del;iver complex plant moving operations as welll as lifts all over teh country. They have a base near you I believe.

Seems to me the only issue is the risk of outrigger damage to the ground.

You need a big enough crane far enough away from the quay with very large plates under each outrigger to minimise the risk of damage to the quay.

Ainscough should be able to provide engineering to check the ground and design this lift to reduce the ground pressure to a level where they can justify to both the insurers and the boat yard they have reduced the risk to an acceptable level.

There is no such thing as having no risk.

It should not cost much more than you are already discussing you're only talking about one lift

If the boatyard still wont buy into a fully insured cranage company carrying out a contract lift in their yard ask them how they aim to ensure the integrity of ground they are now trying

Your boat is probably applying more pressure to the ground now that a fully plated outrigger would apply during the lift. Could they use this to partially justify the condition of the quay?

Ainscough should be able to talk to the boatyard for you and sort it out too without you being stuck in the middle trying to pull two parties together. It may cost a few quid but it will get you launched.

Is your contact at the yard waiting on a pay off or something? You just shouldn't be getting this much grief over this.

Try showing them this thread and let them understand the damage this action is already having to their reputation. I don't suspect many forum memebers are impressed by this and we after all are his potential customers!

Rant over.
 
EuanMcKenzie said:
Have you had Ainscough in? They have a special lifting division that used to be called Vanguard and they design and deliver complex plant moving operations as welll as lifts all over teh country. They have a base near you I believe.

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Ainscough were quote earlier in this thread. as I recall they wanted £6K. They were also the guys that crushed the beam of one of HMS Victorys longboats by lifting it without spreaders (on camera and broadcast in a publicity shoot on Quest TV). It didn't put them in a good light in my opinion.
 
looking at Google Earth I 'd agree that this all seems a little strange really...it looks like it should be a pretty straightforward lift! Is the marina owned/run by an organisation like a council or BWML? I say this as it feels like some where along the line an over zealous HSE guy has become involved!...but back to the lift...if the marina wont do it as they have no insurance and similarly the crane operators then you need to look for a company that does have such insurance and here I'm thinking of machine moving company's who would take on a relatively simple move like this and hire in the crane and equipment they need but run it under there own insurance cover. I know that you tried Ainscough and they were fully priced but I just googled this idea and came up with this guy..email info@chris-miller.co.uk........if he can't help i'm sure they might advise as to who can. Beyond that its time for a sit down with the marina management and your best shot at a crane contractor and have a serious grown up discussion with them to break the deadlock!

have just read a link from the Chris Millar site which gives a photo of a lift been done in Preston Marina as close to the wall as you would like and your boat is in the background!(hope the link works but if not just follow leads to the blog of HSL2552...... might make for a useful discussion point with the marina management!)
youtube too!


http://hsl2552.co.uk/transport/tn_DSC_9915.JPG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ijgut9UGOk
 
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