My cross Channel fail!

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Thursday night was our planned passage to Cherbourg on our Leisure 23SL, Fortuna, to meet up with a few other fellow forumites. My crew was along term friend Adrian, who has sailed lots in the past both racing and cruising.
We chose Thursday night as this would split the journey into a half night half day crossing, we estimated a crossing time of 12 hours. So my crew and I met at Cobbs Quay at 20.00 to allow us an hour and a half to settle into the boat and cast off to catch the 21.30 bridge lift. At about 21.00 I radioed the Bridge Control to ask if were posible to raise Twin Sails first as it were quite lickely we would be the only boat transiting the bridges, my reason for the request was we could navigate Poole Harbour largely in daylight. The very nice man obliged.
We off Old Harry by about 22.30, it was about this time the Portland coastguard gave out their maritime safety info. Unfortunatley the transmission was largey lost due to to interferance and it seemed being drowned out by Solent coastguard giving similar info. I calld up Portland coastguard and had a chat with a nice lady who gave detailed forecast and we did a version of CG66 where she took boat and crew details etc. She gave us a detailed forecast saying the winds would moderate to a force 4 later, but shipping had reported force 7 within the hour. I told her we'd proceed with our journey and make a final decision once we had cleared all the headland.
Abot 23.30 we were in open sea and sailing close hauled on a course of 180 deg with the wind coming from the SW, Fortuna handled the by now larger seas well but the F7 mentined by PG was still in our minds and we were both now getting pretty tired.
It suddenly occurred to me that I'd been up since 5am, done a full days work, Adrian runs a small garage business and he also had a busy day, and now we faced a 12 hour sail in conditions that would mean little rest and would require concentration and if the wind turned more from the South would mean an even longer journey time. It was a bit stupiid really. We both decided to carry on but neither of us sounded very convincing, so when I suggested turning back to Studland, having some rest and trying again in the morning, the response was a very enthusiastic yes.
We tacked round, I radioed PG to let them know we were heading back and managed to somehow find a mooring bouy in pitch black Studland, the ony thing being it was a private one with a notice saying £50.00 fee, by this time we were both knackered, and the security of a mooring bouy had it's appeal, but we'd have to be off early or risk the possibilty of having to pay. This may have seemed naughty on our part, but we just wanted a quick rest. The time time now was about 3am.
At 6.30 am after a hearty breakfast of Pot Noodle, another mistake but it was easy, we cast off again (still tired). We did a quick revised passage plan and chose again a course of 180 deg. Another problem that I had now was feeling seasick and reading the chart wasn't helping at all.
So basically the same as the previous night, we turned back. We arrived back at Cobbs in Poole catching the 11.30 bridge lift.
That's it reaaly, a complete cock up. :o:o
 
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Thursday night was our planned passage to Cherbourg on our Leisure 23SL, Fortuna, to meet up with a few other fellow forumites. My crew was along term friend Adrian, who has sailed lots in the past both racing and cruising.
We chose Thursday night as this would split the journey into a half night half day crossing, we estimated a crossing time of 12 hours. So my crew and I met at Cobbs Quay at 20.00 to allow us an hour and a half to settle into the boat and cast off to catch the 21.30 bridge lift. At about 21.00 I radioed the Bridge Control to ask if were posible to raise Twin Sails first as it were quite lickely we would be the only boat transiting the bridges, my reason for the request was we could navigate Poole Harbour largely in daylight. The very nice man obliged.
We off Old Harry by about 22.30, it was about this time the Portland coastguard gave out their maritime safety info. Unfortunatley the transmission was largey lost due to to interferance and it seemed being drowned out by Solent coastguard giving similar info. I calld up Portland coastguard and had a chat with a nice lady who gave detailed forecast and we did a version of CG66 where she took boat and crew details etc. She gave us a detailed forecast saying the winds would moderate to a force 4 later, but shipping had reported force 7 within the hour. I told her we'd proceed with our journey and make a final decision once we had cleared all the headland.
Abot 23.30 we were in open sea and sailing close hauled on a course of 180 deg with the wind coming from the SW, Fortuna handled the by now larger seas well but the F7 mentined by PG was still in our minds and we were both now getting pretty tired.
It suddenly occurred to me that I'd been up since 5am, done a full days work, Adrian runs a small garage business and he also had a busy day, and now we faced a 12 hour sail in conditions that would mean little rest and would require concentration and if the wind turned more from the South would mean an even longer journey time. It was a bit stupiid really. We both decided to carry on but neither of us sounded very convincing, so when I suggested turning back to Studland, having some rest and trying again in the morning, the response was a very enthusiastic yes.
We tacked round, I radioed PG to let them know we were heading back and managed to omehow find a mooring bouy in pitch black Studland, the ony thing being it was a private one with a notice saying £50.00 fee, by this time we were both knackered, and the security of a mooring bouy had it's appeal, but we'd have to be off early or risk the possibilty of having to pay. This may have seemed naughty on our part, but we just wanted a quick rest. The time time now was about 3am.
At 6.30 am after a hearty breakfast of Pot Noodle, another mistake but it was easy, we cast off again (still tired). We did a quick revised passage plan and chose again a course of 180 deg. Another problem that I had now was feeling seasick and reading the chart wasn't helping at all.
So basically the same as the previous night, we turned back. We arrived back at Cobbs in Poole catching the 11.30 bridge lift.
That's it reaaly, a complete cock up. :o:o

You were wise enough to change your plan and stay out of trouble so not really a true cockup! Next time a better weather appreciation and a better crew rest plan before and during the passage will help. But you already know that.
 
That's it reaaly, a complete cock up. :o:o
Nope, its a reaaly a good decision.

Just need to get the Pot Noodle off the boat. I have some tinned haggis that I don't think will ever be eaten on board after trying it at home one day!
 
hardly a complete cockup...... made a sound decision to do the right thing..... twice!

seamanship is as much about deciding what to NOT do, as it is deciding what to do...

There will be another day for your crossing!

A big +1

Fixed plans on fixed dates are a millstone - leading to risk of disappointment if change plans, or worse if proceed in the face of poor weather.
Flexible plans much better - and you proceeded in a seaman like way "towards" France rather than "to". There will be plenty more weekends.

A friend is selling his boat after taking family on fixed destination plans - they didn't enjoy these bashes in the wrong direction for the weather. If he had been more flexible they would probably still be sailing
 
Good decision making even if you were thwarted by the weather.

Well done, except for the provisioning.

You've got to get some porridge or crunchy nut corn flakes for the next trip.

Cheers

Garold

Ps You may not have made it cross Channel but you did successfully get through both bridges at your chosen time......... A task which has defeated many other sailors this season!
 
When I say cock up, what i mean is I/we should have realised that leaving this time of day was bound to cause problems due to fatigue. Remember I was up at 5am that day, worked until 16.45 (I'm a machinsit so my day involves a lot of standing, lifting and inspector bashing). Adrian runs a small business and had to try and get his work targets met and not being there for the following few days must have caused extra stress. By the time we picked up the bouy in Studland I had been awake for about 22 hours. We then had 3-4 hours rest. The boat was provisioned with fresh food and we had the usual fry up ingredients for a decent breakfast but lack of sleep meant I couldn't be bothered to ccok it. Hence the pot noodle :(
We then set off for asecond time and by the time we come alongside our berth we had been sailing for 15 hours (including the reast at Studland) I had been up for 31 hours with 3-4 hours rest (it wasn't a good sleep).
I just didn't take this into account when planning the trip.
 
I feel the only cock up there is eating that processed rubbish.
The decision of turning back is good seamanship as others have stated here.
Get rid of that pot noodle rubbish lol
 
As you know we cried off in a considerably bigger boat than yours. Crew fatigue is my number one worry when planning a channel crossing. You made a sensible desision and kept your boat and crew safe. No shame in that.
I once offered my crew instant noodles about 19 hours into a 24 hour passage and he went green at the thought. I managed to dig out the bacon and cook bacon sarnies and hot coffee which sustained us for the rest of the trip.
 
Good decision. I would say that having left Poole at 0500 for a cross channel and then returning to tie up in the same position at 1130 - some of our 'neighbours' didn't even realise that we had gone... As others have said, there will always be another time AND you have already learned from this time.
 
We were planning to leave Portsmouth for Cherbourg on Friday evening, but I pulled the plug on it on Thursday evening in view of the on-the-nose 7 rising 8 in the forecast. Seemed very much the right choice in view of the weather that arrived on Friday night and Saturday. Never mind, next time!
 
Thursday night was our planned passage to Cherbourg on our Leisure 23SL, Fortuna, to meet up with a few other fellow forumites. My crew was along term friend Adrian, who has sailed lots in the past both racing and cruising.
We chose Thursday night as this would split the journey into a half night half day crossing, we estimated a crossing time of 12 hours. So my crew and I met at Cobbs Quay at 20.00 to allow us an hour and a half to settle into the boat and cast off to catch the 21.30 bridge lift. At about 21.00 I radioed the Bridge Control to ask if were posible to raise Twin Sails first as it were quite lickely we would be the only boat transiting the bridges, my reason for the request was we could navigate Poole Harbour largely in daylight. The very nice man obliged.
We off Old Harry by about 22.30, it was about this time the Portland coastguard gave out their maritime safety info. Unfortunatley the transmission was largey lost due to to interferance and it seemed being drowned out by Solent coastguard giving similar info. I calld up Portland coastguard and had a chat with a nice lady who gave detailed forecast and we did a version of CG66 where she took boat and crew details etc. She gave us a detailed forecast saying the winds would moderate to a force 4 later, but shipping had reported force 7 within the hour. I told her we'd proceed with our journey and make a final decision once we had cleared all the headland.
Abot 23.30 we were in open sea and sailing close hauled on a course of 180 deg with the wind coming from the SW, Fortuna handled the by now larger seas well but the F7 mentined by PG was still in our minds and we were both now getting pretty tired.
It suddenly occurred to me that I'd been up since 5am, done a full days work, Adrian runs a small garage business and he also had a busy day, and now we faced a 12 hour sail in conditions that would mean little rest and would require concentration and if the wind turned more from the South would mean an even longer journey time. It was a bit stupiid really. We both decided to carry on but neither of us sounded very convincing, so when I suggested turning back to Studland, having some rest and trying again in the morning, the response was a very enthusiastic yes.
We tacked round, I radioed PG to let them know we were heading back and managed to somehow find a mooring bouy in pitch black Studland, the ony thing being it was a private one with a notice saying £50.00 fee, by this time we were both knackered, and the security of a mooring bouy had it's appeal, but we'd have to be off early or risk the possibilty of having to pay. This may have seemed naughty on our part, but we just wanted a quick rest. The time time now was about 3am.
At 6.30 am after a hearty breakfast of Pot Noodle, another mistake but it was easy, we cast off again (still tired). We did a quick revised passage plan and chose again a course of 180 deg. Another problem that I had now was feeling seasick and reading the chart wasn't helping at all.
So basically the same as the previous night, we turned back. We arrived back at Cobbs in Poole catching the 11.30 bridge lift.
That's it reaaly, a complete cock up. :o:o

Agree with all the posts; everyone's allowed to make mistakes, it's how one deals with them that matters.
Also, really good to see no self righteous, "you were completely irresponsible" posts (yet!)
I have to say, whether it's over a conversation in a pub or on here, I always find it reassuring to find that it's not only my decision making that's sometimes a bit iffy.
 
and managed to somehow find a mooring bouy in pitch black Studland, the ony thing being it was a private one with a notice saying £50.00 fee,

:eek: This seems to raise a lot of issues to me.Are our anchorages becoming crowded with private moorings? What happens if you get entangled in one can you claim damages?
I'd have felt perfectly entitled in the circumstances to have dropped the hook wherever I chose,It's a matter of safety ai'nt it?
 
:eek: This seems to raise a lot of issues to me.Are our anchorages becoming crowded with private moorings? What happens if you get entangled in one can you claim damages?
I'd have felt perfectly entitled in the circumstances to have dropped the hook wherever I chose,It's a matter of safety ai'nt it?

Studland certainly isn't crowded with mooring bouys. I thought it a stroke of luck we managed to find one in the dark of night. We could have dropped the hook, but a mooring bouy felt more secure and easier.
 
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