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My choice of anchor is . . .
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Sinbad2222
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Read a very long post in PBO forum last year which covers anchors comprehensively, although I'm not sure that any definite conclusion was reached except that modern designs such as Spade, Rocna and Manson Supreme are better than the older designs. Hylas and Lemain made excellent contributions although the latter's recommendation to drop the anchor and chain straight down for maximum velocity should have carried a troll warning!
Sinbad2222
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Missed out October 6th last year.
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Hylas and Lemain made excellent contributions although the latter's recommendation to drop the anchor and chain straight down for maximum velocity should have carried a troll warning!
[/ QUOTE ]The problem in many parts of the Med is a rock-hard crust over sand; if you cannot get through the crust it is like anchoring on a billiard table. Weight, sharpness and impact are all ways to try to overcome that crust.
Hylas and Lemain made excellent contributions although the latter's recommendation to drop the anchor and chain straight down for maximum velocity should have carried a troll warning!
[/ QUOTE ]The problem in many parts of the Med is a rock-hard crust over sand; if you cannot get through the crust it is like anchoring on a billiard table. Weight, sharpness and impact are all ways to try to overcome that crust.
Chris_Robb
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Perhaps a marina like Yacht Marine is used mainly by people that stay in marinas where the Canaries they are quite clearly on route.
trouville
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I missed this post!I buy now "rounds" of goats cheese from lidle (cant get the "artisanal" one Then for a snack when sailing grill a round on a slice of raw ham on toast.
Start the grill put the bread under,retern to cockpit,when you smell the toast go down put on a slice of ham (best raw ham Palma etc) then a slice of tomatoe and a round of Goats cheese,retern to cock pit when you smell the cheese go below tip some green salad into a bowl pour over some salad dressing(you made before you left---assuming a maximum passage of 3 days or less) turn of grill (and gas bottle if you use gas) Or blow lamp or what êver you use to gril
And serve with cold while wine from apump thermos!
Start the grill put the bread under,retern to cockpit,when you smell the toast go down put on a slice of ham (best raw ham Palma etc) then a slice of tomatoe and a round of Goats cheese,retern to cock pit when you smell the cheese go below tip some green salad into a bowl pour over some salad dressing(you made before you left---assuming a maximum passage of 3 days or less) turn of grill (and gas bottle if you use gas) Or blow lamp or what êver you use to gril
And serve with cold while wine from apump thermos!
Oliveoyl
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This has to be the start of your second book "Marine gastronomy on a shoestring". C'mon trou, many of us are encouraging you to publish, time to go for it
webcraft
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Re: Yacht Marine . . . erm . . .
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Perhaps a marina like Yacht Marine is used mainly by people that stay in marinas where the Canaries they are quite clearly on route.
[/ QUOTE ] Didn't want to say it myself, but perhaps Turkey isn't quite the long distance cruising crossroads the Canaries is . . .
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Perhaps a marina like Yacht Marine is used mainly by people that stay in marinas where the Canaries they are quite clearly on route.
[/ QUOTE ] Didn't want to say it myself, but perhaps Turkey isn't quite the long distance cruising crossroads the Canaries is . . .
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I realise that some people might be getting bored to tears with anchor threads but why not simply avoid reading them? They are clearly marked in the thread titles. I don't see why you deliberately visit anchoring threads and them complain that they are boring because they are about anchors. It doesn't sound like your normal style /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
trouville
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I dident complain!!! I just answerd a thread i found on another page that i must have missed!!
I read Anchor threads just incase there really is another anchor thats more practical.
What i would like is a small lightweight say 5 LBS that with just line attached will hold better than a 45 LBS anchor with 50 meters of 10 mm chain! For example!
I remember very light but expensive anchors were made a few years ago wonder what happend to those??
Anchorings hungry work! How do others make their toast?? And a grill? I made rather found a box 10 inches long by 1 1/2 high i put a tray under then put one open end over the flame on my cooker and the heat then goes up and along inside the box and out by 3 half inch hole at the other end that melts chees nicely but the bread has to be toated lightly first.
I still think the Danforth/CQR is a good combination! And yes the Bruce dose hold well but im still not convinced it would do as a main anchor?
I read Anchor threads just incase there really is another anchor thats more practical.
What i would like is a small lightweight say 5 LBS that with just line attached will hold better than a 45 LBS anchor with 50 meters of 10 mm chain! For example!
I remember very light but expensive anchors were made a few years ago wonder what happend to those??
Anchorings hungry work! How do others make their toast?? And a grill? I made rather found a box 10 inches long by 1 1/2 high i put a tray under then put one open end over the flame on my cooker and the heat then goes up and along inside the box and out by 3 half inch hole at the other end that melts chees nicely but the bread has to be toated lightly first.
I still think the Danforth/CQR is a good combination! And yes the Bruce dose hold well but im still not convinced it would do as a main anchor?
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Whatever. It's not a good idea to let that sort of thing fall out of the lounge, IMO.
trouville
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You must be answering another post! Sorry i suppose you just posted after me and it looked as if you ment me!
Sorry im off
Sorry im off
Salty John
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Maybe if you're seeing these anchors on the bowrollers their owners don't have the confidence to anchor with them! What type are the anchors actually used for anchoring?
A few years ago the Ocean Cruising Club did a survey of it's members and over 85% used the CQR.
In my humble opinion, the best anchor is the one that you have gained the confidence of experience with; only then can you sleep easily at anchor.
A few years ago the Ocean Cruising Club did a survey of it's members and over 85% used the CQR.
In my humble opinion, the best anchor is the one that you have gained the confidence of experience with; only then can you sleep easily at anchor.
webcraft
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In my humble opinion, the best anchor is the one that you have gained the confidence of experience with; only then can you sleep easily at anchor.
[/ QUOTE ] - This is undoubtedly true - but do most people therefore change their anchor after they have dragged a couple of times? It would make sense, but I suspect most people don't - they will blame the circumstances - weather, holding, their own technique perhaps.
In my humble opinion, the best anchor is the one that you have gained the confidence of experience with; only then can you sleep easily at anchor.
[/ QUOTE ] - This is undoubtedly true - but do most people therefore change their anchor after they have dragged a couple of times? It would make sense, but I suspect most people don't - they will blame the circumstances - weather, holding, their own technique perhaps.
craigsmith
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A few years ago the Ocean Cruising Club did a survey of it's members and over 85% used the CQR.
[/ QUOTE ]Nonsense. A few decades ago - and Lewmar has recently dropped the statement from their marketing...
A few years ago the Ocean Cruising Club did a survey of it's members and over 85% used the CQR.
[/ QUOTE ]Nonsense. A few decades ago - and Lewmar has recently dropped the statement from their marketing...
Bajansailor
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Trouville's notes are always rays of sunshine that are guaranteed to brighten up any thread !
Eg, in the middle of an anchoring thread like this where all the anchor anoraks are arguing passionately and going around in circles.
Keep 'em coming Trou, especially your gastronomic notes!
And start writing that book - 'Trou Travels with a Folkboat' could be a title........
(PS - And I happily admit to being an anchor anorak myself - its a fascinating topic of discussion!)
Eg, in the middle of an anchoring thread like this where all the anchor anoraks are arguing passionately and going around in circles.
Keep 'em coming Trou, especially your gastronomic notes!
And start writing that book - 'Trou Travels with a Folkboat' could be a title........
(PS - And I happily admit to being an anchor anorak myself - its a fascinating topic of discussion!)
Salty John
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I think people do change their anchor if they find it consistently failing. They might change to a bigger anchor, a different type of anchor or they might add chain or change their technique.
If he started with a proven anchor for his particular purposes, for instance an anchor that is used by 85% of the O.C.C. or is endorsed by the Pardeys or the Hiscocks, or one that is used by the majority of cruisers in his particular cruising area, the newbie anchorist would be less inclined to blame the anchor and would give himself time to develop his anchoring system and technique until he found one in which he had total confidence.
That's how we develop our sailing and cruising skills and refine the systems on our boats - by our own experience.
Of course, people look for instant solutions - the never-drag anchor, the never-fail reefing system, the forward looking-container-spotting sonar system and so on. Experience tells us that such miracle cures are rarely found and that it's by keeping our wits about us and developing good seamanship that we keep safe in our travels.
All IMHO, as always!
If he started with a proven anchor for his particular purposes, for instance an anchor that is used by 85% of the O.C.C. or is endorsed by the Pardeys or the Hiscocks, or one that is used by the majority of cruisers in his particular cruising area, the newbie anchorist would be less inclined to blame the anchor and would give himself time to develop his anchoring system and technique until he found one in which he had total confidence.
That's how we develop our sailing and cruising skills and refine the systems on our boats - by our own experience.
Of course, people look for instant solutions - the never-drag anchor, the never-fail reefing system, the forward looking-container-spotting sonar system and so on. Experience tells us that such miracle cures are rarely found and that it's by keeping our wits about us and developing good seamanship that we keep safe in our travels.
All IMHO, as always!
LadyJessie
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Re: Yacht Marine . . . erm . . .
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Didn't want to say it myself, but perhaps Turkey isn't quite the long distance cruising crossroads the Canaries is .
[/ QUOTE ]This is just not true. Marmaris is a very popular stop on a circumnavigation. Just check which port Heikell selects in his "Ocean Passages" book. The typical circumnavigation route if you are not going south of Africa is to come up through the Red Sea and the Suez at the end of the season and to go to Turkey to winter. Then you continue through the Med the next season. There are three very popular bases here for circumnavigators: Bodrum, Kemer and Marmaris with the latter being the most popular, measured by volume. If you think Marmaris is just a base for people staying in marinas, you just don't know what you are talking about. Liveaboards try to stay out of marinas as much as possible and those are the people you will meet if you go there.
Maybe the truth here is that the Canaries is where you meet the people who are just starting their circumnavigation and have not yet got all the hard earned experience. Turkey is the place where you meet the people "who have done it all". Almost home if you are European, come a long way already if you are American or Aussie/NZ.
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Didn't want to say it myself, but perhaps Turkey isn't quite the long distance cruising crossroads the Canaries is .
[/ QUOTE ]This is just not true. Marmaris is a very popular stop on a circumnavigation. Just check which port Heikell selects in his "Ocean Passages" book. The typical circumnavigation route if you are not going south of Africa is to come up through the Red Sea and the Suez at the end of the season and to go to Turkey to winter. Then you continue through the Med the next season. There are three very popular bases here for circumnavigators: Bodrum, Kemer and Marmaris with the latter being the most popular, measured by volume. If you think Marmaris is just a base for people staying in marinas, you just don't know what you are talking about. Liveaboards try to stay out of marinas as much as possible and those are the people you will meet if you go there.
Maybe the truth here is that the Canaries is where you meet the people who are just starting their circumnavigation and have not yet got all the hard earned experience. Turkey is the place where you meet the people "who have done it all". Almost home if you are European, come a long way already if you are American or Aussie/NZ.
hylass
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COMMENT OF THE MONTH..
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http://www.morganscloud.com/aacblog/
However, there is one thing that can and should be learned from these recent tests: new generation anchors like the Rocna and SPADE are a huge improvement over older designs like the CQR and Claw (Bruce).
The CQR has repeatedly shown terrible problems setting in anything but thick mud—this I already knew from bitter personal experience—and the Bruce, while generally setting better than the CQR, has exhibited poor holding and a very worrying inability to reset when it does drag.
It amazes me that even 10 years or so after the introduction of the SPADE people are still passionately defending older anchor designs , and even being downright offensive about it to people like Alain who, after all, revolutionized anchor design and in doing so made cruising safer and more fun for all of us; or at least those of us who are willing to give these new anchors a try.
Obviously, Alain is partial to his brain child as can be seen in his comment. I have no opinion one way or another on his assertions, other than to say that the SPADE is a great anchor that has made a huge difference to Phyllis’ and my enjoyment of cruising.
Hi lady Jessie! are these comments from long term cruisers and liveaboard??
See on:
http://www.morganscloud.com/aacblog/
However, there is one thing that can and should be learned from these recent tests: new generation anchors like the Rocna and SPADE are a huge improvement over older designs like the CQR and Claw (Bruce).
The CQR has repeatedly shown terrible problems setting in anything but thick mud—this I already knew from bitter personal experience—and the Bruce, while generally setting better than the CQR, has exhibited poor holding and a very worrying inability to reset when it does drag.
It amazes me that even 10 years or so after the introduction of the SPADE people are still passionately defending older anchor designs , and even being downright offensive about it to people like Alain who, after all, revolutionized anchor design and in doing so made cruising safer and more fun for all of us; or at least those of us who are willing to give these new anchors a try.
Obviously, Alain is partial to his brain child as can be seen in his comment. I have no opinion one way or another on his assertions, other than to say that the SPADE is a great anchor that has made a huge difference to Phyllis’ and my enjoyment of cruising.
Hi lady Jessie! are these comments from long term cruisers and liveaboard??
jimbaerselman
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Re: Yacht Marine . . . erm . . .
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Didn't want to say it myself, but perhaps Turkey isn't quite the long distance cruising crossroads the Canaries is .
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This is just not true. Marmaris is a very popular stop on a circumnavigation.
[/ QUOTE ] Well, this is straightforward to sort out. The Canaries, due to their position, only harbour long distance sailors. Marmaris, however, has a large number of Mediterranean potterers in addition to it's (presumably) relatively few ocean cruisers. So a straw poll in Marmaris favours Mediterranean potterers.
For a reliable straw poll about favoured anchors, one should look for places where large proportions of people use anchors routinely in a good range of wind and sea conditions. That implies a place with a reasonable number of boats, and relatively few marinas, moorings or pontoons. Places that come to mind are the west Baltic, Scotland north of Oban, NW Ireland, N Spain east of A Coruna, almost all Greece, and parts of the Caribbean.
I'm sure some 'world girdlers' come in the category of frequent anchorers, but longer passages eat up some of their time, and rest and repair in a secure spot eats up quite a bit more, so I don't think their anchoring frequency is anything near that a typical flotilla leader in Greece.
This, of course, is a similar argument to that referred to earlier in the thread: Walking around a marina and counting anchor types is counting the anchors that are not in use.
My conclusion? If you prefer to put more reliance on anchoring experiences (rather than tests) to assess anchors, you must only poll people with a very wide range of anchoring experiences - which includes some use of modern anchors.
Not many of those, are there?
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Didn't want to say it myself, but perhaps Turkey isn't quite the long distance cruising crossroads the Canaries is .
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This is just not true. Marmaris is a very popular stop on a circumnavigation.
[/ QUOTE ] Well, this is straightforward to sort out. The Canaries, due to their position, only harbour long distance sailors. Marmaris, however, has a large number of Mediterranean potterers in addition to it's (presumably) relatively few ocean cruisers. So a straw poll in Marmaris favours Mediterranean potterers.
For a reliable straw poll about favoured anchors, one should look for places where large proportions of people use anchors routinely in a good range of wind and sea conditions. That implies a place with a reasonable number of boats, and relatively few marinas, moorings or pontoons. Places that come to mind are the west Baltic, Scotland north of Oban, NW Ireland, N Spain east of A Coruna, almost all Greece, and parts of the Caribbean.
I'm sure some 'world girdlers' come in the category of frequent anchorers, but longer passages eat up some of their time, and rest and repair in a secure spot eats up quite a bit more, so I don't think their anchoring frequency is anything near that a typical flotilla leader in Greece.
This, of course, is a similar argument to that referred to earlier in the thread: Walking around a marina and counting anchor types is counting the anchors that are not in use.
My conclusion? If you prefer to put more reliance on anchoring experiences (rather than tests) to assess anchors, you must only poll people with a very wide range of anchoring experiences - which includes some use of modern anchors.
Not many of those, are there?