Mutiny!

LittleSister

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Have you ever mutinied? Or had your crew mutiny?

I thoroughly agree that, in principle, every boat must have a skipper, and the crew must defer to the skipper's judgement. Otherwise chaos and confusion will reign. But there are times when one cannot bear to stand on principle!

Writing in another thread reminded me of the only time I recall having purposefully and significantly gone against the skipper's orders.

We were sailing back from Brittany (where we'd been for the Brest '92 festival, since you ask), and were somewhere out in the Western Channel at night heading towards England. I was alone in the cockpit, doing the night shift. (My traditional role when sailing with that friend, who was skipper/owner. He would tend to conk out about 9.30 - 10pm, and put my ability to stay up all night down to a misspent youth of all-night parties that was, sadly, only slightly true.)

It was a dark but mild and clear night, and I had been keeping an eye on a distant vessel's lights dead ahead, and as it got closer struggled to make out from its lights what it was and what it was up to, firstly through the bins, then later by direct eyeball. I could see a jumble of red, white, green, and perhaps even yellow lights that I couldn't make any sense of. I called up the skipper who'd been fast asleep below with his girlfriend. We sat and watched and discussed as we got nearer, but no clearer as to what it might be. Fishing? Military? 'Operations'?

We couldn't tell exactly how far away it was (no radar, and long before AIS), but it was definitely getting closer, and me increasingly nervous. I suggested I'd alter course to keep clear of it. The skipper hummed and hahed about that for a bit, as this thing got closer and closer, and me more agitated, and eventually said 'Let's hold our course and get a bit closer, so we will at least find out what it is'. I just said '**** that", and put the tiller over.

He was absolutely fine about it, and just laughed and made a joke about me refusing orders. As we passed with it now off to one side, and viewed it from a different angle, we deduced it was probably, but not definitely, some kind of fishing vessel with a lot of extraneous lights, and more or less stationary and therefore no threat to us at the now increasing distance from us.

He retired back to his bed, and I, now able to relax again, settled down to enjoy shepherding the boat plodding steadily onwards through the night towards breakfast time and, eventually, Old Blighty.
 

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We sort of mutinied 15 years ago, on a delivery passage from here to England on a pal's (fairly knackered) old Nicholson 35.
We first did a lot of fixing here, then more fixing at Jolly Harbour in Antigua, including getting the Aries vane gear working (it had seized up).
Halfway to Bermuda I had to go over the side to put a bung in the engine cooling water sea inlet (as the seacock was seized....) so that we could change the water pump impellor on the old Perkins 4-107.
Then the Perkins died as we were approaching Bermuda - we were not really planning on stopping there, as we had a tight deadline, but we did not want to try to carry on to Horta without a functioning engine - so we decided to put in to St Georges to try to effect repairs. We had to short tack through the Cut into St Georges with the wind on the nose.
The engine problems were worse than we had initially feared, and we were told that they would take a long time to fix.
And all four crew (including the skipper, reluctantly) mutinied, as we were all on (over optimistic) tight schedules - so we left the boat securely moored in a slip at the St Georges Dinghy Club and bought cheap one way tickets to England on an airline that went bust soon after (I can't remember the name of it now).
The skipper returned a month or so later with a new crew, eventually got the engine fixed, and got the boat back to England with a stop in Horta on the way.
I was a bit miffed that I didn't manage to get to Horta - but I did finally manage to add Horta to my bucket list on a delivery 4 years later on the Maxi 'Idea'.
An Idea across the Atlantic

Changing tack, I was at Brest '92, sailing on the lovely old S & S yawl 'Stormy Weather' - what a wonderful event that was.
 

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I mutinied on my own on a race boat once. The rest of the crew not being able to ascertain the problem, they didn’t join me. This was a round the buoys in the Solent. The navigator was useless, never stuck his head above the hatchway. Spring tides, we’d been tacking for Salt Mead for several tacks, the significance of the time of day had escaped our navigator. My urgings for the boat to head for shallower water were ignored, we were out in the Solent getting nowhere, wind light, forecast lighter. It was obvious we weren’t making the mark, and wouldn’t for another 4 hours, when the tide turned. The next mark was Prince Consort, equally obvious we wouldn’t make that for another 6 hours if the tide had turned. 1 hr 45 minutes to the time limit, I was told to sit on the foredeck and shut up. Needless to say, we didn’t make Salt Mead, and were declared DNF. The skipper had some kind of weird loyalty to the senile old fool with nav duty. He wasn’t as old as the boat, but not that far off.
 

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Out for a few hours with the wife and 2 friends who were all sitting in the cabin having a good time.
It started to rain and as I was the one outside steering I asked for a waterproof coat. The basic reply was no way are we going out there it's raining.

I then mentioned mutiny but was quickly told by the wife "were not crew but are passengers ".
Luckily it was only a short shower.
 

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In a rusty coaster off the Hook the skipper said turn to starboad to entre the approching to theHook,looking in the radar as it was very thick fog I turned to port to entre the waterway at which the skipper berated me I said look in the radar………there enshrew a Stoney silence……..
 

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Some years ago we were bound south but had a broken outdrive leg, we stopped in Bayona and arranged an engineer and were able to dry out alongside the fisherman’s slipway for the leg to be removed. Due to smallish rise and fall of tide we put the catamaran stern up the slipway and to protect the rudders from the angle of the slipway the plan was to pop a pallet under each skeg to hold the sterns up and stop the rudders making contact with the concrete as she settled. When the time came I was paddling around and standing on one pallet to hold it in position but my crew was just sitting on the aft deck refusing to get in the water and put the other pallet under the other side, I was Imploring him to just do it and getting more and more exacerbated by his recalcitrance, it was not even knee deep water, in the end I pointed out that if I couldn’t rely on him to do something to help protect the boat then he was no good to me and would be asked to leave. I managed to get the other pallet under and in place and he packed his bags and left.
 

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Good line of questionning Little Sister .
Is there a statute of limitations?


There was a time when I wished that I had mutineed.

And therein lay a useful lesson to take forward in life

We bungled up the Solent in a flat calm working the back eddies on the island side against the spring ebb and it was going pretty well until the Warden Ledge poking out .
Youve got to come out round that one , says I!
Oh no I don’t says skipper🤪
And we glided up onto a nasty flattish rock and stopped.top of springs ffs
And stayed . Down went the tide . Over we went and despite mattresses and removing the fresh water and some internal ballast into the dingy and more , we left only because enough breeze came up at midnight to heel her off with the sails put up .. and one slightly stove in plank and much loss of face..
The ballast is still out there too probably
Duh!
Wansworthhad the right idea 👍
 

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There was another time coming into Spithead after a storm tossed passage from the London river,loaded with cement for the IOW,the skipper was tired I just came on watch,for some reason he wanted to ease the ship into Langston,so I suruptitionusly eased the autopilot back towRds the Channel through the forts,nothing was said by either of us
 

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I rule the boat with a rod of iron...my word is law....but once we tie up...I resort to my usual job which is taking care of all the whims of her dog
 

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Only once had a potential mutiny on my parent's race boat, a Nich 30 in the early 1970's. At the end of the season was a local race series on the Medway and it was the final race and the series was between us and another boat. The start was a run with the tide under us with virtually no wind. We were a bit too keen and strayed over the line just before the start. Kedge dropped quickly but once we finally manage to start correctly, the rest of the fleet was half a mile ahead. This race we were sailing just as a family of 4 as our regular crew could not make it. So being a crew short, we had to work much harder to try and catch up. There were twist and turns in the course that meant short spinnaker legs. Well most did not set a spinnaker on the legs of 250 yards, but we did. After the 6th drop of the spinnaker, my mother said "The next crazy bugger who wants to set the spinnker can pack it". There was no need for the spinnaker for the rest of the race, so the mutiny did not occur. I should mention that we went on to win the race and the series. Everyone could see how hard we worked and said we really deserved to win as we started with a massive handicap being so far behind.
 

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After 16 days solo on my way to Valencia I was very close to mutiny. I withheld labour for about 12 hours with the tiller lashed, just keeping a lookout for any vessel I could transfer to. The boat didn’t notice and plowed on without me. I came to my senses eventually and finished two days later.
 

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I've witnessed mutiny, mid Atlantic with just three of us on board. Not very experienced skipper made a sail decision against advice - the other crew member went down below in a huff and refused to cooperate. The skipper's decision was poor, and proved so, but withdrawing your labour in a crisis is not the way to deal with it - better to make sure there is an "afterwards", when there'll be plenty of time to chew the cud.

I've never been confused or conflicted about who's in charge on a boat. If you can't accept that the skipper's word is final then don't sail with them.
 
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