Musto BR2 - a bit fishy

[lustyd]

Are you sponsored by the Big Tumble Dryer Inc.?

Lets agree to disagree - what I do works for me, what you do works for you. After all it is just a bit of material that keeps us warm and dry in the prevailing conditions.

No, I was just highlighting that you are trying to discourage people from properly caring for their garments despite not really understanding why it's important. I don't care what you do, my post was for other people looking for advice to ensure they disregard what you're saying and listen to the manufacturer of their clothing.

 

[Mister E]

Care is needed with tumble drying as the tape on the seams it heat activated, thus not to hot.

 

[lustyd]

Care is needed with tumble drying as the tape on the seams it heat activated, thus not to hot.

That will depend on the garment, hence the need to follow manufacturer recommendations for the garment in question. Don't avoid doing it because you're worried, there's no point having expensive oilies if they aren't effective due to poor care.

 

[Mister E]

If you delve deep enough there are recommendations for temperature for washing and drying.
You can use an iron instead of the tumble dryer. Again go to the garment manufacturer Web site for the details.

 

[lustyd]

You can use an iron instead of the tumble dryer.

Not on my MPX you can't. The point of the tumble dryer is to fluff up the little fibres on the outside using the air and movement, so yes read the manufacturer recommendations for the specific garment.

 

[Sandy]

No, I was just highlighting that you are trying to discourage people from properly caring for their garments despite not really understanding why it's important. I don't care what you do, my post was for other people looking for advice to ensure they disregard what you're saying and listen to the manufacturer of their clothing.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way could be, there are different ways of looking after your garment and it will still function as designed. Not everybody has access to a tumble dryer.

It would be interesting to see if there is any difference in functionality after a couple of hours on the foredeck fighting a ripped sail in a storm while taking big green ones over the bow.

 

[lustyd]

Another way could be, there are different ways of looking after your garment and it will still function as designed.

And yet you’ve not tried the recommended care so your opinion is kind of lacking here.
There absolutely is a difference, I’ve tried it and that’s why I asked. You’ve discredited yourself so others reading will form their own opinions and hopefully at least try what the people making the fabric and the garment recommend. It’s weird how much effort some people put in to convincing people not to follow good advice!

 

[Sandy]

And yet you’ve not tried the recommended care so your opinion is kind of lacking here.
There absolutely is a difference, I’ve tried it and that’s why I asked. You’ve discredited yourself so others reading will form their own opinions and hopefully at least try what the people making the fabric and the garment recommend. It’s weird how much effort some people put in to convincing people not to follow good advice!

This is an internet forum. We are intelligent people and capable of make up our own minds. All I was saying was no matter what the manufacturer says there are other ways to do things.

People post a huge amount of 'stuff' on here. I read, digest and make my own mind up. I may roll my eyes at some things, I might laugh out loud at others, some will get me to change the way I do things.

 

[gaylord694]

And yet you’ve not tried the recommended care so your opinion is kind of lacking here.
There absolutely is a difference, I’ve tried it and that’s why I asked. You’ve discredited yourself so others reading will form their own opinions and hopefully at least try what the people making the fabric and the garment recommend. It’s weird how much effort some people put in to convincing people not to follow good advice!

Yes I'm afraid he has discredited himself.....What a shame another case of knowing to much about nothing

 

[Mister E]

Listed I recommend that you do actually read the Musto Web site for the care of Gors Tex waterproofs.
A cool iron is recommend if a dryer is not available.
There is no mention of fluffy the surface but the DWR Durable Water Repellent is mentioned.
It is this that needs to heat to reactivate.

The Musto Web site is worth a read about garment care.

None of this helps with the fishy smell.

 

[lustyd]

Listed I recommend that you do actually read the Musto Web site for the care of Gors Tex waterproofs.
A cool iron is recommend if a dryer is not available.
There is no mention of fluffy the surface but the DWR Durable Water Repellent is mentioned.
It is this that needs to heat to reactivate.

The Musto Web site is worth a read about garment care.

None of this helps with the fishy smell.

The care instructions for my 12 year old waterproofs has very likely been replaced as new fabrics have been developed. The important thing is to read the ones for your garment and follow them. If you’re really interested I’m sure the wayback machine will find the instructions I’m referring to but unless you have the fabric I have they won’t do you any good.
I didn’t say no garments would be ok with an iron, I said in my case the drier is a requirement and I stated the reason as per Musto’s docs. If you don’t like that take it up with Musto but they won’t care any more than I do what you think.
My MPX also have a lifetime warranty if I follow said instructions. That’s also changed in the decade since, time moves on.

 

[lustyd]

This is an internet forum. We are intelligent people and capable of make up our own minds. All I was saying was no matter what the manufacturer says there are other ways to do things.

People post a huge amount of 'stuff' on here. I read, digest and make my own mind up. I may roll my eyes at some things, I might laugh out loud at others, some will get me to change the way I do things.

Yes people do have all sorts of opinions. Some of them informed while others just shout the first thing that comes to them over and over.
I informed myself with Musto and Goretex information. I tested both methods and found they were right after all, including their recommendation of Grangers (which they use at the factory).

You didn’t test and didn’t read. Yet here you are telling people again and again not to listen to the manufacturer because you’re smarter despite being entirely uninformed and having done no testing. As I said I really couldn’t care less if your oilies are as effective as they could be, but others come here for information and it would be a shame for you to lead them astray.

 

[Sandy]

Listed I recommend that you do actually read the Musto Web site for the care of Gors Tex waterproofs.
A cool iron is recommend if a dryer is not available.
There is no mention of fluffy the surface but the DWR Durable Water Repellent is mentioned.
It is this that needs to heat to reactivate.

The Musto Web site is worth a read about garment care.

None of this helps with the fishy smell.

I wonder if this is where @lustyd and I differ.

From the Gore Tex web site [How to Restore the Durable Water Repellency of Your Raingear]

Is @lustyd following this method?

How Do I Restore Existing DWR?

If so he is revitalising the factory DWR, while I follow the paragraph below as I use the two part Nikwax Tech Wash & TX.Direct Wash-in

How do I apply a new DWR treatment?

Meaning that every time I go through the washing process I am adding a new DWR layer to my kit, and no mention of popping your kit in a tumble dryer or waving an iron in the general direction of your prized oilies in that paragraph.

Interestingly, Gore Tex state that whatever method you use this will not make the material more waterproof.

DWR is a surface treatment and does not impact the performance of the waterproof membrane.

Giving this some thought over supper, I wonder how long the DWR layer lasts - give the respective age of our kit and the physical 'trauma' it goes through.

My kit gets packed in bags, bags get tossed in, cars, boats, aircraft holds and trains. Rubbed against all sorts of things including lifejackets, tethers, decks, masts, sails and seats. With occasional mugs of hot steaming tea or coffee, or a chilled glass of wine spilt over it! And after reading the Gore Tex web site suspect that the DWR layer might be removed from the kit as soon as I put it on!

I am planning a wee trip to Baltimore in June 2025 and as it is Ireland am expecting some rain. I feel some product testing coming on. A treatment before I set off and visual inspections for beading.

We best not start on the subject of the best socks to wear in your sea boots!

 

[Mister E]

Sandy the reason you differ with him is he just can not be wrong and will argue a point until others just give up.
As an example Gore Tex have since the 1980s stated that an iron can be used the rejuvenate the DWR.

 

[lustyd]

As an example Gore Tex have since the 1980s stated that an iron can be used the rejuvenate the DWR.

For some of their fabrics yes. How’s that hard to understand? They make many fabrics and laminates.

 

[lustyd]

Interestingly, Gore Tex state that whatever method you use this will not make the material more waterproof.

DWR has nothing at all to do with how waterproof the Goretex is. The DWR stops the outer protective layer becoming waterlogged. If it does the fabric gets heavy, stops vapour getting through, and evaporates, cooling the person wearing it.
The Goretex layer in the laminate is inherently waterproof, like a plastic sheet and needs no coating to make it waterproof at all, the other layers are there to protect it and for fashion purposes (colour and texture).

Good to see you’re considering the possibility that they are right. Let us know how you get on with following instructions.

 

[Mister E]

Well something smells fishy.

 

[Marsali_1]

I favour the Musto Pedantic line of foul weather gear. It repels everything and never needs washing or drying, contrary to the manufacturer's instructions, which say it requires regular beating with a large stick. I believe it is made from horse-hide.

 

[Sandy]

Good to see you’re considering the possibility that they are right. Let us know how you get on with following instructions.

I have been following the correct washing instructions since 1985 and know that I do not need to use a tumble dryer. Please read the second paragraph on the web site I referenced my above post.

I've worn Gore Tex when a Mountain Rescue Team Member and now when sailing. It has always worked and I've never had to wring out my underwear because of sweat when using Gore Tex unlike the previous generation where were were soaked to the skin with sweat and ether too hot because of physical exertion or too cold as we were stood still on a belay or were the radio link between the climbing team and the team leader.

May I ask if you are a materials scientist specialising in waterproof membrane?

 

[Mister E]

I have been following the correct washing instructions since 1985 and that I do not need to use a tumble dryer. Please read the second paragraph on the web site I referenced my above post.

I've worn Gore Tex when a Mountain Rescue Team Member and while sailing. It has always worked and I've never had to wring out my underwear because of sweat when using Gore Tex unlike the previous generation where were were soaked to the skin with sweat and ether too hot because of physical exertion or too cold as we were stood still on a belay or were the radio link between the climbing team and the team leader.

Sandy I recommend you leave it someone will argue you to death.