sailorman
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Its 16 yrs since i measured mine
Mrs Kipper says we have to get gas - how best to do it?
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pvb
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The width is going to be the deciding factor. Cooker dimensions are often rather vague; you need to check the overall width including gimbals, which usually add 35mm or so to the declared cooker width.
prv
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For what it's worth (and I'm not on commission
) the Nelson must be on the narrower side. I know this because I had to build up some spacer blocks when fitting it into the gap left by the previous cooker.Pete
pvb
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For what it's worth (and I'm not on commission
According to websites, it's 450mm wide. But when you include the gimbals, it's 484mm wide.
Jabs
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Hi
Tony plotter here!
Can I suggest you make provision for refillable bottes to save the rip off charges of Calor and Camping Gaz
You CAN refill at petrol stations in most countries and save an arm and a leg.
Look at Gaslow and Google others.
It's really worthwhile
Are you planning a blog and how's the daily budget looking?
Fair winds
Tony
Tony plotter here!
Can I suggest you make provision for refillable bottes to save the rip off charges of Calor and Camping Gaz
You CAN refill at petrol stations in most countries and save an arm and a leg.
Look at Gaslow and Google others.
It's really worthwhile
Are you planning a blog and how's the daily budget looking?
Fair winds
Tony
vyv_cox
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It is illegal in most countries in Europe to fill a free standing gas bottle on a garage forecourt. You may get away with it in some places but you certainly will not in others. Gaslow refillable bottles are intended for fixed installation in vehicles, I have one in my motorhome.
The practical problem with refilling bottles used on a boat is getting them to a filling station that does Autogas. Very few taxi drivers are going to agree to take them, so you have to find some other way. Then you have to find the filling station. Until very recently there were only five in the whole of Greece, all in Athens. There are now a few more, but not anywhere handy for ports. Italy is very strict on the no filling law and I have even had to argue a little with a fixed bottle in my camper. So your savings on gas costs have gone straight away in car hire costs.
Once outside UK and France, Camping Gaz costs are far more reasonable. Last week in Greece I paid €6.60 for a Eurocamp bottle refill, quite a bit more gas than in a standard Camping Gaz bottle.
sailorman
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If the OP needs Calor bottles he might PM me
Otter
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Roger
Otter
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Refillable gas bottles are a step too far for me, thank goodness they're not allowed in most places.
Looks like that Nelson may be the ticket.
Looks like that Nelson may be the ticket.
Caer Urfa
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Lazy Kipper;4966146]Refillable gas bottles are a step too far for me, thank goodness they're not allowed in most places.
Looks like that Nelson may be the ticket.[/QUOTE]
Hi Skipper
I fitted my own Nelson Spinflo cooker last year and a great bit of kit, I did all the piping including fitting the gas bubble detector etc , I also purchased a gas locker on line which I had doubts about as it only takes Camping gaz bottle size, But I have found the gas hotter and the bottle lasts for ages, If you need help you know where to find my e-mail.
Regards
Mike
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Looks like that Nelson may be the ticket.[/QUOTE]
Hi Skipper
I fitted my own Nelson Spinflo cooker last year and a great bit of kit, I did all the piping including fitting the gas bubble detector etc , I also purchased a gas locker on line which I had doubts about as it only takes Camping gaz bottle size, But I have found the gas hotter and the bottle lasts for ages, If you need help you know where to find my e-mail.
Regards
Mike
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Danbury
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+1 for the Nelson Spinflo... Great stove, and it does proper toast too !!
As for gas... I have 2 x 13kg bottles in my gas locker... don't forget you'll need an Annex M regulator not a normal one.
As for gas... I have 2 x 13kg bottles in my gas locker... don't forget you'll need an Annex M regulator not a normal one.
JumbleDuck
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Or you can use a normal one like almost everyone and have no problems at all with it like almost everyone.
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Phoenix of Hamble
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I did my own gas system install as well... its easy enough if you use compression fittings from Southampton Calor or similar, and the addition as Hadenough says above, of a bubble leak tester allows you to test that your joints are secure.
Elessar
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I have an lpg car. The tank has a float in it that shuts off the inlet to limit the amount of liquid. Ie to leave the right amount of (compressible) gas above. If you remember you SVP the pressure in the tank remains constant as the liquid rises and the gas reduces. With no shut off, a portable bottle will overfill, no gas to compress and bang when it warms up. Dont do it!
I presume the "refillable" ones have the shut off? As the petrol station attendants wont be able to tell the difference the ban is understandable.
No gas on my boat. A diesel hob, and a £100 stainless oven/micro/grill. Powered by shorepower or an inverter.
Gas is a pain, expensive and stops working when its cold. Plus you have to be careful with it.
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vyv_cox
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Yes, the Gaslow refillable bottles have a float that shuts the supply off when 80% (I think) full. They are big bottles though, not something I would like to be carrying on and off a boat, even if I could get them filled somewhere.
No pain at all in my gas installation. A Camping Gas bottle lasts us around a month, Eurocamp ones quite a lot longer, living on board and cooking most nights. Even at £20 per bottle that's not bad but at €6.60 per bottle it's a bargain.
charles_reed
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To add to Vyv's refutation of Elessar's points - only butane stops vapourising, propane is good for -12C, most LPG bottles are a mix of both.
My 3rd hand experience of diesel stoves is that they're hell to cook on, make a smell and are prohibitively expensive. Like Vyv, I find one Camping Gaz bottle, cooking one meal a day, lasts 30-35 days. Exchange bottles can be expensive - in Italy as much as €18, but refills work out @ €6 - €6.50.
Still horses for courses and we all cling tight to our prejudices - even Origo fans!!
Elessar
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Vyv youre in greece! My old boat had gas and i found the calor let me down a few times when there was a meal in the oven in winter. My diesel hob is ceramic and sealed, no smell. It has a lid with a fan in so i can use it as an additional cabin heater. But not as quick as gas, so I use an electric kettle (inverter). It was, like much of my boat, an ebay bargain.
Spi D
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When designing the solution make sure you get the right parts and fittings.
Regulators and valves come in more types, straight/angled, with gauge or not etc. Might challenge the space available.
PS! The bottle locker must drain outside the boat, not into the engine- or any other room.
+1 for the bubble leak detector.
Regulators and valves come in more types, straight/angled, with gauge or not etc. Might challenge the space available.
OP said:
PS! The bottle locker must drain outside the boat, not into the engine- or any other room.
+1 for the bubble leak detector.
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Elessar
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+1 to all of that, and i would add a gas alarm in the bilge too.
If you are struggling to find somewhere for a safe gas locker with overboard drain, on some boats the anchor locker is a quick and easy solution.
