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Interested to read all of this and also the reference to Practical Motor Cruiser, which was the magazine I cut my teeth on in the mid-1980s. That title was well loved by a relatively tiny audience...and we had tiny resources to match. I was the ad sales guy at the time and wrote occasional bits of copy, which I cringe at now but I think I avoided any real conflict somehow. The editor, Chris Cattrall, can be found these days looking after Canals and Rivers magazine.

When I joined the launch team at MBM I saw the light and gravitated across into the editorial team and we certainly worked within defined editorial and commercial boundaries, although dealing with the small and medium companies in the marine industry was never going to be like working through the PR machines of the car giants. It always was (and I am sure still is) much more up close and personal. I liked that and grew to have a lot of time for many of the people that had driven many of the companies in the industry to a position of prominence, but it didn't stop us falling out from time to time.

As editor I remember getting considerable stick for publishing tests on the first Fairline with prop tunnels that wouldn't steer at speed until they finally sorted out the rudder toe-in angles; the Birchwood 37 Super Sport that regularly dipped a toe rail in a following sea until the company realised that in its aft cockpit version it would be as well to replace all the weight of the aft cabin with a ton of cement in the bilge; the Cruisers International 267 that was so badly built a 3ft hole opened up in it until our campaign (among others) forced the US licensee to put a war chest together to repair the products of the failed UK company. And the Birchwood TS51 in the Bay of Biscay that was fine downwind as long as you enjoyed steering through a meandering 30 degrees either side of the course.

The standard of engineering these days is almost unrecognisable from then - and naval architecture has moved from the back of a fag packet to fully trained staff using excellent facilities. I'd really hope the instances of chronically poor performing boats are eliminated long before the gel coat comes out of the can now.

Actually for me the retrograde step is, ironically, in some of the areas picked up in a light-hearted way here such as the practicality of stowage and whether you are sat on a boat that can be used or an exhibit that has to be kept wrapped in cotton wool. I've never figured out how to 'cruise-lite' and if my boat cannot swallow a groaning trolley load of bags and all the knocks that happen when you swing them on board that I start the weekend miserable :-)
 
Plus there has been a tendancy to feature vessels more akin to the 'worker' than the multi millionare.

I think it does look brighter, as you say, but IMHO there's still nowhere near enough on boats that cost less than £100k.

How about a comparison between the Peche Promenade types and Walkaround Sports Fishers a la Grady White/Seaswirl/Trophy/Karnic? Pros and cons of each type and each make.
 
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How about a comparison between the Peche Promenade types and Walkaround Sports Fishers a la Grady White/Seaswirl/Trophy/Karnic? Pros and cons of each type and each make.

That's kinda been done.
Well! Eveythings kinda been done over the years but there's the rub!

But I know where you are coming from.

I glance around the Marina.
OK, our bit is where the smaller craft are berthed anyway, up to 33ft at the mo.
Mix is about 40% peche proms, 35 sports boats and the rest Raggies, there or thereabouts.

Activities of said craft
Day sailing/moboing
Fettling
A bit of fishing
The odd 2 day jaunt
Occasional ventures further, say around Anglesey IOM, maybe Ireland.
Fettling
Sitting in marina dreaming and talking rollocks!:)
Up and down the Strait for half a day
Fettling and talking more rollocks.
You know the kinda thing.

So I reckon that's the target audience as it were.
Spose I should say demographics or summat like that:rolleyes:

Anyway yer gets me drift.
Yep, I remember Practical Motorcruising I took it while it lasted..
In fact, I have subscribed since day 1 almost to MBM

OK , taint perfect but it's the nearest thing on the bookstand to suit the above.

PBO does for raggies.
Yep, I know a few years back mobo bits were introduced but that aint the way forward.

MBM could go a bit more PBO ish I reckon.

It's a tough call on where to improve the Mag though
There are going to be repetitions it's inevitable.
But newbies come along all the time so stuff like anchors/how to berth/vhf's/knot tying/antifouling de blah de blah need to be resurrected occasionally.

Eight pages of 'Buyers Guide' I find a bit pointless.
Stats like that can be found so easily on the Web if you want them so that lot aint 'Interesting' more space for pbo ish stuff maybe?

12 issues year in year out?
Bloody hard job to keep it all fresh and origional imho.

Yep, more 'in depth' with the boat tests Guys that would be nice..
Oh and just a general comment on boat testing/ testers.

Take for instance the Corvette report this Month.
'Performance and Handling'
Only 150 words.
Plus why do we need to know how 'fast' or sporty a cruiser or semi displacement vessel turns?
That's always puzzled me:confused:

Just stuck me hand into a pile of MBM's stuffed in the corner of me living room, they are everywhere.
However these are handy to open the top window cos its a bit high:rolleyes:

Randomely March 2001 jumped out
'Will LPG be the way forward'? that's one article:D

However a nice read ref a certain Mr Graham Anthony going round the top of Scotland in a 30 ft steel boat. Nice
8 pages of good stuff

But there were 160 pages in the mag
But 70 were adverts!
Oh and a certain K Hollamby was 'Consultant Editor'

There's Posh innit:D
 
Interested to read all of this and also the reference to Practical Motor Cruiser, which was the magazine I cut my teeth on in the mid-1980s. That title was well loved by a relatively tiny audience...and we had tiny resources to match. I was the ad sales guy at the time and wrote occasional bits of copy, which I cringe at now but I think I avoided any real conflict somehow. The editor, Chris Cattrall, can be found these days looking after Canals and Rivers magazine.

When I joined the launch team at MBM I saw the light and gravitated across into the editorial team and we certainly worked within defined editorial and commercial boundaries, although dealing with the small and medium companies in the marine industry was never going to be like working through the PR machines of the car giants. It always was (and I am sure still is) much more up close and personal. I liked that and grew to have a lot of time for many of the people that had driven many of the companies in the industry to a position of prominence, but it didn't stop us falling out from time to time.

As editor I remember getting considerable stick for publishing tests on the first Fairline with prop tunnels that wouldn't steer at speed until they finally sorted out the rudder toe-in angles; the Birchwood 37 Super Sport that regularly dipped a toe rail in a following sea until the company realised that in its aft cockpit version it would be as well to replace all the weight of the aft cabin with a ton of cement in the bilge; the Cruisers International 267 that was so badly built a 3ft hole opened up in it until our campaign (among others) forced the US licensee to put a war chest together to repair the products of the failed UK company. And the Birchwood TS51 in the Bay of Biscay that was fine downwind as long as you enjoyed steering through a meandering 30 degrees either side of the course.

The standard of engineering these days is almost unrecognisable from then - and naval architecture has moved from the back of a fag packet to fully trained staff using excellent facilities. I'd really hope the instances of chronically poor performing boats are eliminated long before the gel coat comes out of the can now.

Actually for me the retrograde step is, ironically, in some of the areas picked up in a light-hearted way here such as the practicality of stowage and whether you are sat on a boat that can be used or an exhibit that has to be kept wrapped in cotton wool. I've never figured out how to 'cruise-lite' and if my boat cannot swallow a groaning trolley load of bags and all the knocks that happen when you swing them on board that I start the weekend miserable :-)

Nice post Kim, you have just backed up some memories of bad weather engine sea trials ive been on, especially the Birchwood range, yes Ted Andrews drew up a lot on the back of a fag packet over the years!, the ts 37 ss had too much buoyancy in the stern, what it really needed was V drives that way they could have given even more interior space or better fuel range, as long as you kept it topped up!.
 
That's kinda been done.
Well! Eveythings kinda been done over the years but there's the rub!

Eight pages of 'Buyers Guide' I find a bit pointless.
:D

I don't remember any comparative tests of the 6.5-7m+ Sports Fisher type, like the US makes that are now available here. There must be 5 or 6 brands imported now plus the European White Shark/Karnic (OK nearly European)/Finnmaster WA/Askeladen/Aquador etc.
I agree that there was a recent comp. test between Beneteau and Jeanneau and perhaps Oqueteau - all the "eaus".
The different character between the two types above and the Cuddy Cabin and Walk-Through designs could be illustrated for the benefit of folk new to boating. I suspect that many on here don't know much about the wide choice available from Scandinavian mfrs.


I agree re. the Buyers Guide. I actually looked forward to its introduction but it is now pretty useless as the accuracy of its content leaves a lot to be desired. Furthermore only some of the companies list their full range.
 
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I glance around the Marina.
OK, our bit is where the smaller craft are berthed anyway, up to 33ft at the mo.
Mix is about 40% peche proms, 35 sports boats and the rest Raggies, there or thereabouts.

Activities of said craft
Day sailing/moboing
Fettling
A bit of fishing
The odd 2 day jaunt
Occasional ventures further, say around Anglesey IOM, maybe Ireland.
Fettling
Sitting in marina dreaming and talking rollocks!:)
Up and down the Strait for half a day
Fettling and talking more rollocks.
You know the kinda thing.

So I reckon that's the target audience as it were.
Spose I should say demographics or summat like that:rolleyes:

You're making a rather sweeping assumption there that most mag buyers are boat owners.

It would be interesting to know how many are actual owners, and how many are simply enthusiasts.

To use the car analogy again, I wonder how many readers of Evo (a very popular car magazine dedicated exclusively to high performance cars) actually own high performance cars? I suspect a great many own far more prosaic machinery, or are schoolboys, or whatever.

It's back to the same thing, do you want a "practical consumer mag", or an enthusiasts read? Well as Kim has demonstrated above, the former has been tried...

Reading this post it seems what most people actually want is a magazine aimed specifically at them personally. Which is a tad impractical. And what MBM appears to me to be is a mix, superboats, second-hand boats, cheaper boats, gear, stories etc.

Well what do you expect, really..?
 
You're making a rather sweeping assumption there that most mag buyers are boat owners.

I would have thought most mag buyers would be owners or about to become such.

It would be interesting to know how many are actual owners, and how many are simply enthusiasts.

I think enthusiasts these days will use the web fer free, kinda what some peeps are saying about mags in general

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To use the car analogy again, I wonder how many readers of Evo (a very popular car magazine dedicated exclusively to high performance cars) actually own high performance cars? I suspect a great many own far more prosaic machinery, or are schoolboys, or whatever.

It's back to the same thing, do you want a "practical consumer mag", or an enthusiasts read? Well as Kim has demonstrated above, the former has been tried...

Reading this post it seems what most people actually want is a magazine aimed specifically at them personally. Which is a tad impractical. And what MBM appears to me to be is a mix, superboats, second-hand boats, cheaper boats, gear, stories etc.

Well what do you expect, really..?

Yep, I know its impossible to make a Mag 'personal' I pointed out, as per Kim it had been tried before, just thought I'd ask the question if that was the way peeps want the mag to go.

whisper
May's mag had (trailboat special etc) Boston Whaler etc featured, plus Cobra and Redbay ribs plus Bryant sports boats
Then there was the Merry Fisher/Antares comparison just recently.
Agree, not comparisons per se of the Yank walk abouts verses the Peche Proms but at least the types were featured recently.

Who'd be an MBM editor:eek:
 
Yep, I know its impossible to make a Mag 'personal' I pointed out, as per Kim it had been tried before, just thought I'd ask the question if that was the way peeps want the mag to go.

whisper
May's mag had (trailboat special etc) Boston Whaler etc featured, plus Cobra and Redbay ribs plus Bryant sports boats
Then there was the Merry Fisher/Antares comparison just recently.
Agree, not comparisons per se of the Yank walk abouts verses the Peche Proms but at least the types were featured recently.

Who'd be an MBM editor:eek:

I wonder if costs of production limit the tests? It is one of the parts of the mag. that I most look forward to. Two "comparative" one's a month would be nice, albeit selfish.

PS How do you insert an emoticon within the text?
 
I wonder if costs of production limit the tests? It is one of the parts of the mag. that I most look forward to. Two "comparative" one's a month would be nice, albeit selfish.
Well;)

PS How do you insert an emoticon within the text?

May -- Squaddie versus F42
August -- Princess V53 versus Targa 52
And Jeaneau versus Benny fishers.
July
Larson, Rinker, Monterey and Sea Ray go 'Head to Head'.

OK all a bit brief imho but at least they seem to be trying in that direction.
If we take a look at the vessels 'tested' in the months mentioned
Apart from the above.
There were -- Marex 320, Karnic 2760, Jeanneau Prestige 38S, Corvette 340, Regal 2500, Monterey 254, Beneteau MC42, Catalina 26.
Plus 'owners reports' and Used Fletcher Fairline Sunfury 26, Bayliner 245, and Windy 31 Tornado.
Plus ribs and stuff.
That's a fair cross section of Mobo's!
 
Ummm...consultant

2001 was my web odyssey - I was up to my neck in ybw.com by then (including this forum) so I'm not sure I was doing much consulting on MBM if truth be known...although I was still escaping to take part in the occasional MBM cruise in company.


That's kinda been done.
Well! Eveythings kinda been done over the years but there's the rub!

But I know where you are coming from.

I glance around the Marina.
OK, our bit is where the smaller craft are berthed anyway, up to 33ft at the mo.
Mix is about 40% peche proms, 35 sports boats and the rest Raggies, there or thereabouts.

Activities of said craft
Day sailing/moboing
Fettling
A bit of fishing
The odd 2 day jaunt
Occasional ventures further, say around Anglesey IOM, maybe Ireland.
Fettling
Sitting in marina dreaming and talking rollocks!:)
Up and down the Strait for half a day
Fettling and talking more rollocks.
You know the kinda thing.

So I reckon that's the target audience as it were.
Spose I should say demographics or summat like that:rolleyes:

Anyway yer gets me drift.
Yep, I remember Practical Motorcruising I took it while it lasted..
In fact, I have subscribed since day 1 almost to MBM

OK , taint perfect but it's the nearest thing on the bookstand to suit the above.

PBO does for raggies.
Yep, I know a few years back mobo bits were introduced but that aint the way forward.

MBM could go a bit more PBO ish I reckon.

It's a tough call on where to improve the Mag though
There are going to be repetitions it's inevitable.
But newbies come along all the time so stuff like anchors/how to berth/vhf's/knot tying/antifouling de blah de blah need to be resurrected occasionally.

Eight pages of 'Buyers Guide' I find a bit pointless.
Stats like that can be found so easily on the Web if you want them so that lot aint 'Interesting' more space for pbo ish stuff maybe?

12 issues year in year out?
Bloody hard job to keep it all fresh and origional imho.

Yep, more 'in depth' with the boat tests Guys that would be nice..
Oh and just a general comment on boat testing/ testers.

Take for instance the Corvette report this Month.
'Performance and Handling'
Only 150 words.
Plus why do we need to know how 'fast' or sporty a cruiser or semi displacement vessel turns?
That's always puzzled me:confused:

Just stuck me hand into a pile of MBM's stuffed in the corner of me living room, they are everywhere.
However these are handy to open the top window cos its a bit high:rolleyes:

Randomely March 2001 jumped out
'Will LPG be the way forward'? that's one article:D

However a nice read ref a certain Mr Graham Anthony going round the top of Scotland in a 30 ft steel boat. Nice
8 pages of good stuff

But there were 160 pages in the mag
But 70 were adverts!
Oh and a certain K Hollamby was 'Consultant Editor'

There's Posh innit:D
 
Run ragged

Ummm...that has all been put in perspective since I got out and started playing with other careers and got a 'proper' job. :-)

There's no doubt though it was a bit 24/7, even before getting involved with the ybw forum (aka the place where no-one sleeps).

I still remember when a reader pulled the curtains back through the open window of our aft cabin one morning just to have a look at the editor's boat. He also got to see the editor and the editor's (less-than-happy) wife for his money but there you are, the perils of being a Z-list celebrity.

To be honest there's a part of me that would still want to be doing exactly the same thing, but I don't entirely miss the 30+ weekends working, which I think is what it peaked at around the mid-late 1990s.

Rather interesting that since then I've had to go on a government retraining course to wrinkle out of my system how to use a boat without a) worrying about the weather for 25 other boats; b) figuring out how to get the boat from one harbour to another with no crew and one spare night to do it in and c) not buying the two bags of coffee we often got through even in a 'weekend off'.

Happy days - many friends made that I am very bad at now staying in touch with.

and also interested to read your comments and input.

We haven't really had editors who were really hands on since you ran the place. even though we ran you ragged
 
May -- Squaddie versus F42
August -- Princess V53 versus Targa 52
And Jeaneau versus Benny fishers.
July
Larson, Rinker, Monterey and Sea Ray go 'Head to Head'.

OK all a bit brief imho but at least they seem to be trying in that direction.
If we take a look at the vessels 'tested' in the months mentioned
Apart from the above.
There were -- Marex 320, Karnic 2760, Jeanneau Prestige 38S, Corvette 340, Regal 2500, Monterey 254, Beneteau MC42, Catalina 26.
Plus 'owners reports' and Used Fletcher Fairline Sunfury 26, Bayliner 245, and Windy 31 Tornado.
Plus ribs and stuff.
That's a fair cross section of Mobo's!

You are right, that does look like a good X section, but not too many of those would be "starter" boats (or ones I could afford) (smiley)
 
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