Morse control on a small OB motor?

[ProDave]

Has anyone done it? It would seem the ultimate PBO project?

I can see no reason why it could not be done, it is just at it's heart a throttle cable and a gear forward backwards cable.

 

[Neeves]

I have no idea but I suspect the cost of the control unit, the throttle lever etc, will discourage anyone from trying - when a small O/B is designed to run as is. Small O/Bs are also designed to be removable, easily )as they are a prime theft target. I would not want to faff of reconnecting each time I used one. But overcome the issues - go for it.

But if you have a controller looking for an application - that's different.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Vevor have control box kits from £118. The idea isn’t totally without merit, you can gain a lot in a small rib from sitting in the right place, ie not virtually on the transom.

 

[ProDave]

Vevor have control box kits from £118. The idea isn’t totally without merit, you can gain a lot in a small rib from sitting in the right place, ie not virtually on the transom.

Just had a look at those, but they seem to be electrical controls not mechanical?

The OB lives on the boat all season locked in place, so remote control would just make it easier to operate.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Just had a look at those, but they seem to be electrical controls not mechanical?

The OB lives on the boat all season locked in place, so remote control would just make it easier to operate.

Looks like the works to me, maybe I’m missing something

 

[ProDave]

Looks like the works to me, maybe I’m missing something

Do you have a link? I must have been looking at the wrong thing.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Do you have a link? I must have been looking at the wrong thing.

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It makes a song and dance about electricals, but clearly describes actions only attributable to cable control. My experience of Vevor tells me they are serious. It’s a full on remote.

 

[wallacebob]

It can be relatively simple to bodge a gear control using an old morse lever, the trickier bit is throttle control. A boat I shared had gear control plus a tiller extension, very handy in marina. My current Honda 8hp has capability for full control, but I just use a gear lever plus metal bar and tiller throttle extension ( plastic tube)

 

[ProDave]

It can be relatively simple to bodge a gear control using an old morse lever, the trickier bit is throttle control. A boat I shared had gear control plus a tiller extension, very handy in marina. My current Honda 8hp has capability for full control, but I just use a gear lever plus metal bar and tiller throttle extension ( plastic tube)

I would have thought throttle was the easy one. Just a bowden cable from the remote control to the carb and disconnect the throttle from the OB's tiller.

The more tricky one I would have thought was the gear change, that needs to pus as well as pull so beyond what a bowden cable can do and would have to be a solid linkage.

 

[ProDave]

This is what I am looking at, I presume it is the one you mean VEVOR Marine Side Mount Remote Control Box For Yamaha 703-48207-22-00 Control Outboard | VEVOR UK

It is not at all cleat that it actually has the two conventional cables for throttle and gear change? they might be a good company but their marketing and description could be better. It tells me is is suitable for a Yamaha outboard (without saying which one) how different is that to a Honda outboard? I am prepared to make parts e.g. to attach the gear control to the cables etc.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

This is what I am looking at, I presume it is the one you mean VEVOR Marine Side Mount Remote Control Box For Yamaha 703-48207-22-00 Control Outboard | VEVOR UK

It is not at all cleat that it actually has the two conventional cables for throttle and gear change? they might be a good company but their marketing and description could be better. It tells me is is suitable for a Yamaha outboard (without saying which one) how different is that to a Honda outboard? I am prepared to make parts e.g. to attach the gear control to the cables etc.

I couldn’t promise you, obviously. But it has cables coming out of the box in the places they come out of my morse control box. Which, as you say, is visually identical to the Vevor one for a Yamaha, when my engine is clearly a Honda, visible in my avatar. in fact…..

 

[ProDave]

Thanks, what size is your Honda? Ours is the 5HP BF5A

 

[MikeCC]

This is what I am looking at, I presume it is the one you mean VEVOR Marine Side Mount Remote Control Box For Yamaha 703-48207-22-00 Control Outboard | VEVOR UK

It is not at all cleat that it actually has the two conventional cables for throttle and gear change? they might be a good company but their marketing and description could be better. It tells me is is suitable for a Yamaha outboard (without saying which one) how different is that to a Honda outboard? I am prepared to make parts e.g. to attach the gear control to the cables etc.

Are you talking about a small outboard that would not usually have a remote setup? The one you have linked is for engines with a loom to connect. I doubt the Morse cables are included as length would need to be specified.

For some, you can get a remote conversion kit to allow easy fitting of throttle and gear cables. You could then use any remote that will take Morse cables eg Teleflex, Ultraflex etc. You can see from parts diagrams/YouTube what's needed to DIY, then buy a mechanical remote and cables to rig to engine yourself.

 

[ProDave]

Are you talking about a small outboard that would not usually have a remote setup? The one you have linked is for engines with a loom to connect. I doubt the Morse cables are included as length would need to be specified.

For some, you can get a remote conversion kit to allow easy fitting of throttle and gear cables. You could then use any remote that will take Morse cables eg Teleflex, Ultraflex etc. You can see from parts diagrams/YouTube what's needed to DIY, then buy a mechanical remote and cables to rig to engine yourself.

Yes a 5HP Honda BF5A

I can see no reason why such an engine should not be connected to a morse control. And I am happy to make or modify parts to make it work. The throttle looks easy, disconnect the bowden cable that comes out of the throttle on the tiller and connect the remote throttle to the same place. The gear change looks harder, but as long as the remote cable has the grunt to push the gear lever on our engine it should not be hard to fabricate a bracket or 2.

This company Vevor is worrying me. they sell lots of stuff some related to boats, but no technical data (e.g. you can't download an instruction manual) and more worrying is I cannot find the company address anywhere on the website.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

It might well be the case that vevor have put up a photo with gear that isn’t included in the deal,

I have bought a fridge and a diesel heater from them, both of which were as described and arrived in a decent time frame,

 

[DownWest]

You could use two bowdens for the gear shift, bits are cheap enough.

 

[ProDave]

You could use two bowdens for the gear shift, bits are cheap enough.

Can I confirm from anyone that is using or has set up a Morse remote to an outboard, that the gear change cable does indeed push and pull the gear lever? In which case it must be quite a substantial cable with a solid core?

 

[DownWest]

Morse controls are routinely used on inboards to push/pull the gear lever. On the few outboards I have used with remotes they same applies. Sort of recently, some friends couldn't start their 40 hp with remotes, after a look around, it appeared that while the lever by the wheel was in neutral, the adjustment at the engine wasn't quite, so blocked starting it.

 

[MikeCC]

Yes a 5HP Honda BF5A

I can see no reason why such an engine should not be connected to a morse control. And I am happy to make or modify parts to make it work. The throttle looks easy, disconnect the bowden cable that comes out of the throttle on the tiller and connect the remote throttle to the same place. The gear change looks harder, but as long as the remote cable has the grunt to push the gear lever on our engine it should not be hard to fabricate a bracket or 2.

This company Vevor is worrying me. they sell lots of stuff some related to boats, but no technical data (e.g. you can't download an instruction manual) and more worrying is I cannot find the company address anywhere on the website.

There is a remote connection kit available for that engine. If it takes Morse cables, you then just need a mechanical control like a yacht inboard type. Plus cables of suitable length of course.

Why worry about Vevor? You don't have to use them.

 

[Tranona]

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